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sindohte
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It is apparent that Tolkien's religious views played a major role in shaping his views on the issue of Elves and sex. I wonder if his portrayal of the sex lives of Elves along with the other inhabitants of Middle Earth would have been different if he wrote these books during the late 1960's or 1970's. Would Tolkien's writing been influenced by the time period he was writing in or would he have remained true to his religious beliefs and left his material in the form that we have it now?
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Coreinha1980
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| Quote: | It is apparent that Tolkien's religious views played a major role in shaping his views on the issue of Elves and sex. I wonder if his portrayal of the sex lives of Elves along with the other inhabitants of Middle Earth would have been different if he wrote these books during the late 1960's or 1970's. Would Tolkien's writing been influenced by the time period he was writing in or would he have remained true to his religious beliefs and left his material in the form that we have it now?
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I think the material would have remained true to what it is, Tolkien was a strong individual, that's obvious, given all he survived in his life. He would have been true to himself, after all, if we aren't true to ourselves in our writing, then where can we be?
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sindohte
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if we aren't true to ourselves in our writing, then where can we be?
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You make a good point, which raises another question. When writing LOTR fanfiction, how does a writer stay true to their vision of who they are as a writer when they are using Tolkien's world and characters as the basis for their story?
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Ellbee
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Ha! I stay true to myself by imagining that I am Tolkien...as he would have been if he were a happy, easily amused, tolerant, oversexed woman in the twenty-first century.
Actually, I'm not on a search for personal truth through fanfic. I'm just here for the open bar. 
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Coreinha1980
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| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2003 12:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | You make a good point, which raises another question. When writing LOTR fanfiction, how does a writer stay true to their vision of who they are as a writer when they are using Tolkien's world and characters as the basis for their story?
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If you love this world and these characters enough to want to write about them, it's a big part of who you are. I think that writing a story of any sort is a deeply personal expression, it comes from your mind and your ideas and your thoughts what these characters will do in the situation you've come up with.
It's the truest expression of self there is, at least in my opinion.
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PoweroftheBook
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Hi All!
Can't stop myself from posting on this topic.
Hmmmm...I try and stick to what Tolkien wrote about Elf sex - abstinence until finding the one you are meant to be with. I think what Tolkien meant when he said that Galadriel and Celeborn were lovers was that they were courting. When Tolkien wrote this, the word 'lover' meant something different, more along the lines of 'betrothed', 'beloved', or 'sweetheart' (though I really can't see Celeborn calling Galadriel 'sweetheart'.) After all, there was a time when 'gay' meant happy!
However, I think there is plenty of room to manuever within Tolkien's guidelines. This is a dialogue I tend to think could possibly occur:
(Sometime after Arwen's birth in Imladris)
Elrond: Celebrian, dearest, are we not both aware of what shall now be the main focus of our conduct together?
Celebrian: Indeed, husband, now that we have had three children, our interests should focus on less earthly delights. But Elrond...
Elrond: Beloved?
Celebrian: Does not the possibility of more children await us? Feanor and Nerdanel had seven, after all. Do we not have a space of time to consider more offspring?
Elrond: Indeed! After all, we have an eternity to make this very weighty decision, one that should not be made lightly.
Celebrian: And in the meantime?
Elrond: In the meantime, my beloved Celebrian, you might be more comfortable without all those clothes on.
And someone, I believe, brought up the question of the mental/telepathic connection between spouses. Who's to say the intimacy and pleasure of the physical act couldn't be overshadowed by the intimacy and pleasures of the mind? It could be one reason that Legolas stayed so merry of heart on the Quest. 
And now I really need to work on that essay.
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Viv
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| PoweroftheBook wrote: | | And someone, I believe, brought up the question of the mental/telepathic connection between spouses. Who's to say the intimacy and pleasure of the physical act couldn't be overshadowed by the intimacy and pleasures of the mind? It could be one reason that Legolas stayed so merry of heart on the Quest. |
Aha. Telepathic equivalent of phone sex, then? That would explain so much.
But who was the gal on the other end of the line? |
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PoweroftheBook
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| Quote: | Aha. Telepathic equivalent of phone sex, then? That would explain so much.
But who was the gal on the other end of the line? |
That, I believe, is why we write fanfiction! Perhaps I should drop the idea off at the Plot Bunny Nursery. 
Might also explain how both Celebrian and Galadriel were able to separate from their spouses for such a time.
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JennnLee
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| Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2003 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | But who was the gal on the other end of the line? |
Well, that's why some of us write girlfriends for him.  Although now I'm picturing Isobel and Legolas having phone sex, and that's just coming out weird. Maybe because she's human. Yeah, that's it.  |
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PoweroftheBook
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Hmmmm...I was thinking more of a spiritual, emotional bond that transcended sex, rather than a type of telepathic phone sex, but whatever works...
Somehow I don't think such a bond might extend between humans and elves, although perhaps there is one, just not quite up to the strength of elf-elf bonds. This presents some humourous situations, as suggested by JennLee -
Isobel? Isobel? Damn, no signal! I must be too far away!
In any case, for the sake of PWPs out there, I must say that I prefer the option of "Well, we could always have children later..."
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JennnLee
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| Quote: | Damn, no signal! I must be too far away!
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And you know that when he's in places like Moria or Fangorn that he won't be able to get a signal.
Seriously, I know exactly what you meant about a spiritual bond, and I think it makes total sense. |
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NancyBrooke
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| JennnLee wrote: | | Quote: | | Damn, no signal! I must be too far away! |
And you know that when he's in places like Moria or Fangorn that he won't be able to get a signal. |
Can you sense me now? ... Good. |
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PoweroftheBook
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| Quote: | | Can you sense me now? ... Good. |
I'll let the emoticon speak for me. 
I'll never see that commercial the same way again!
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Maram68
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| PoweroftheBook wrote: | | In any case, for the sake of PWPs out there, I must say that I prefer the option of "Well, we could always have children later..." |
| PoweroftheBook wrote: | | That, I believe, is why we write fanfiction! Perhaps I should drop the idea off at the Plot Bunny Nursery. |
And then again ... what could be worse than being interrupted in the middle of a "connection" by a bunch of Orcs? 
Does anybody know any elven-mind-IP's? I'd pay for them! 
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