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Elentari
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You can still get the argument back in track by reminding that elves lost interest in sex after a certain number of children were born. Considering that they took a while to begett the first child and had a good interval between one child and the next, it is not so very different from mortals who gradually loose libido as they age.
(Of course, I even heard that elves do age, only waaaaaaaay slow.)
We tend to dismiss that tidbit of info because we, poor mortals, cannot conceive something that hot being not interested. It's a crying shame.
Plus, me being the devil's advocate and all, I can also add that elves do feel cold (or else nobody would have frozen to death in Helcaraxe.)
And also, there is nothing that says elves would not sweat due to extreme physical exertion.
Plus it would be viable to have a glistening elf, if you can prove he had a good workout first.
Stil nothing against the oil, mind you. |
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ghettoelleth
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| Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 2:40 am Post subject: |
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I would just like to say, Mr Glorfindel has been properly despoiled and returned to his original upright position happier for the workout. If he broke a sweat, no one will ever know, he used pancake syrup for lube.
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Ellbee
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| Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 9:17 am Post subject: |
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| ghettoelleth wrote: | | I would just like to say, Mr Glorfindel has been properly despoiled and returned to his original upright position happier for the workout. If he broke a sweat, no one will ever know, he used pancake syrup for lube. |
Mmmm, sticky. Now he'll need a bath.
-Ell 
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Alassante
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| Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 11:04 am Post subject: |
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| ghettoelleth wrote: | | I would just like to say, Mr Glorfindel has been properly despoiled and returned to his original upright position happier for the workout. If he broke a sweat, no one will ever know, he used pancake syrup for lube. |
Be careful ghetto, some things are not good to put on anyone's body. Take honey for instance. Sounds sexy, no? NO. It does not come off very easily and it tends to get thicker and eventually turn into a hard glob. Nothing sexy about peeling globs of honey from one's skin (or worse places!) Pancake syrup should be safe though. Oil away. Personally I would get sick tasting maple too much. I would go with something like chocolate. Did they have chocolate in Middle Earth?? God I hope so.
If elves do not sweat or feel cold, why do they wear cloaks and thick jacket type clothes? If they felt no cold, when they went over the mountain in the snow, wouldn't Legolas just have walked on up without pulling his cloak up. I cannot remember if he did this in the book or just the movie. I do think they are more tolerate to the elements but I think they do feel them but that's just me.
I think some things you have to alter slightly for fan fiction's sake if you do not know for 100% either way. My elves sweat (only during hot sex of course), cover up with blankets, and sleep (with their eyes closed - the other way just freaked me out) but they need less sleep. Also, when one of my elves was wounded, he sweat in a fevered state. I cannot imagine that you could get shot with a poisoned arrow or stabbed and not get a fever to fight off the infection. Plus my ellith sweat in long labors (I only had one that did this and she was half human so I guess that was kinda iffy)I think that if you look at Legolas in the movie, he rarely got dirty no matter what happened however when he left Moria he was dirty. Which leads me to believe that in most aspects if not all, elves do not generally do things or have things happen to them that goes against the whole perfect elf theory but at times things happen in extreme circumstances. So depending on how extreme the sex was - sweat away!
Elves must age to some degree. Elrond looks very wise because he looks older. I don't think you would feel very secure in listening to the wisdom of a elf that looked 20 years old. Celeborn and Galadriel also looked older. (at least in the movies) I don't think that they age much so they will never be to the point of our 50+ looking people. But I think you will find a big difference betweens elves of Elrond's age vs. his children.
All of this is my opinion and you all know (if you read my stories) I usually throw LACE out of the window so feel free to disagree. My elves get knocked up by accident too (one was with a human lover and the other was the half-elf mentioned before so once again, kinda stretched it) But if you are writing about something that hasn't really happened (ie fiction) then you can usually get away with saying things happened if there is no hard proof that they cannot/do not happen.
Whew - I know you are thinking - shut up already if you haven't already stopped reading this and skipped to the next post!!! 
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ghettoelleth
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| Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 11:53 am Post subject: |
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Although I no longer believe that elves sweat, thank you Miriel, I can rationalize the whole bundling up theory. Just because they didn't feel uncomfortable in cold, doesn't mean they could not succumb to it. Many elves froze to death crossing the ice floes of the Helcaraxe (take a bow Gladdy). Ergo, although they didn't 'feel' the cold per se, they still needed to protect themselves from its effects.
Personally, I would lick cat hair off of Glorfindel, but that's just me.
Your elves also speak grey elvish  I am so sorry Al, I can't believe I just said that. Ya know I love ya more my luggage.
Finally, Tolk sez, and I quote, "The face of Elrond was ageless, neither old nor young, though in it was written the memory of many things both glad and sorrowful."
Now, back to Glorfindel's booty call.
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SpaceWeavil
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| Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 12:11 pm Post subject: |
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| ghettoelleth wrote: | Although I no longer believe that elves sweat, thank you Miriel, I can rationalize the whole bundling up theory. Just because they didn't feel uncomfortable in cold, doesn't mean they could not succumb to it. Many elves froze to death crossing the ice floes of the Helcaraxe (take a bow Gladdy). Ergo, although they didn't 'feel' the cold per se, they still needed to protect themselves from its effects.
Personally, I would lick cat hair off of Glorfindel, but that's just me.
Your elves also speak grey elvish I am so sorry Al, I can't believe I just said that. Ya know I love ya more my luggage.
Finally, Tolk sez, and I quote, "The face of Elrond was ageless, neither old nor young, though in it was written the memory of many things both glad and sorrowful."
Now, back to Glorfindel's booty call. |
My take on the whole hot and cold thing, for what it's worth, is more or less what you've just said. According to LACE and such, the main difference between elves and men is the relationship between spirit and body, fëa and hroa. The elves's spirits were far more in control of the body than the spirits of Men, and it was this control, as far as I understood it, that gave them better resistance to disease, and made them able to heal faster. The way I actually read it was not that elves wouldn't catch a disease, but that, guided by the fea, the hroa could combat any infection or whatever without much effort, if that makes any sense at all. Same with small wounds and stuff - it says the elves could recover from wounds that would have killed mortals, but that means they still can be hurt.
So for the cold and such, I reckon its the same thing. The fea is more in control of the natural responses to heat and cold. So I would expect that you could have an elf die of extreme heat exposure or extreme cold. But as with wounds, I think it would have to be so great that the fea could no longer heal the hroa.
So, going from that, elves might have more or less the same 'maintainance procedures' for their bodies as humans, so possibly they would sweat to keep their body temperature down, though either this would only happen in extreme circumstances, or possibly they just wouldn't have the mental element, like discomfort, that would go with being too hot, if you see what I mean. I am seriously rambling now. 
End of the Day - I'm only going off LACE here. I'm sure someone who's read the letters will come on later and completely overturn all of this. But my point is, if you want to have an elf sweating during some heated rumpy-pumpy, I'm sure you could mangle a bit of LACE in order to justify it 
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Alassante
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| Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 7:00 pm Post subject: |
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End of the Day - I'm only going off LACE here. I'm sure someone who's read the letters will come on later and completely overturn all of this. But my point is, if you want to have an elf sweating during some heated rumpy-pumpy, I'm sure you could mangle a bit of LACE in order to justify it |
Here! Here! And pass the syrup! I have a princeling that needs some! The sweat has already been licked clean.
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