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Alassante
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 Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2005 1:33 pm Post subject: Questions about the Twins, Thranduil, and other elves |
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What happened to the elves that stayed after the last ship left? (the one with the ringbearers on it) Did they stay in their own little cities for every or did they all hop a ride with Legolas and Gimli? What about the elves Legolas took with him to Ithilien? Did they all just hang around Middle Earth? Or was the "last ship" not really the last ship?
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I've always interpreted the departing of the ship with Galadriel as the ship that departs with the "last of the Noldor," not the last ship to leave Middle-earth, because, obviously, it's not!
From the Silmarillion:
"In that time the last of the Noldor set sail ..." (very last paragraph of the book). I don't think it says that it was the very last ship to ever leave the shores of Middle-earth.
Of the Elves that remained behing it is said that they faded. I find it incredibly depressing, and I would like to think that they faded from the memories of Men  , not just dissapeared.
By the way ... I'm almost done with your translations. I'm usually a lot faster than this. My apologies, this week is "back to work week"  .
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| Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2005 3:13 pm Post subject: |
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If you want some theories, read some modern day AU stories, Alassante. coughcoughTheTreesRemembercoughcough
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Alassante
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I guess my biggest question is in a story (I am trying ask this question without giving too much away). My OC is an elf. Something happens before/near Aragorn's death. Can I say that Legolas came and got her and took her to the twins in Rivendell? Then she went with Legolas and Gimli when they left? I am assuming that if Legolas was still around that the twins would be as well. Celeborn was still somewhere in ME after Galadriel and went to Rivendell at one point so is it okay to assume that the twins would still be in Rivendell with other elves (in other words the city was still up and running) about 65-75 yrs after the WOTR??
 Thuriniel, I am grateful for you to do this. I will NOT complain about how long it takes (but it hasn't been that long anyway!). I am just so thankful you are willing.
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| Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2005 3:38 pm Post subject: |
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OOOHHHH Vana, very good. Golf clap darling. I know we have to take baby steps but next time:
THE TREES REMEMBER - By the fabulous VanatheEverYoung
And while I'm here
CIRCLE OF HANDS - by the ghettofabulous ghettoelleth
two really really good stories by two really really new fanfic authors
     da hookah!
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| Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2005 3:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Alassante wrote: | | Can I say that Legolas came and got her and took her to the twins in Rivendell? Then she went with Legolas and Gimli when they left? |
We don't know if the twins even left ... so of course you can present the theory that they were still in Middle-earth at the time of Aragorn's death. As long as you give plausible reasons for them staying, I say go for it! That's the beauty of fanfic!
Besides ... do your elves have pre-marital sex? If so, you're already breaking the rules  !
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Alassante
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| Thuriniel wrote: |
Besides ... do your elves have pre-marital sex? If so, you're already breaking the rules ! |
My elves? Nah. They are virginal and pure as driven snow. 
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huh, so am I, small world, idn't it? 
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| ghettoelleth wrote: | OOOHHHH Vana, very good. Golf clap darling. I know we have to take baby steps but next time:
THE TREES REMEMBER - By the fabulous VanatheEverYoung
And while I'm here
CIRCLE OF HANDS - by the ghettofabulous ghettoelleth
two really really good stories by two really really new fanfic authors
da hookah! |
Are you two on the right thread?? 
Ghetto - your two cents on location of the twins 75 years after the WOTR??
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| Alassante wrote: | | ghettoelleth wrote: | OOOHHHH Vana, very good. Golf clap darling. I know we have to take baby steps but next time:
THE TREES REMEMBER - By the fabulous VanatheEverYoung
And while I'm here
CIRCLE OF HANDS - by the ghettofabulous ghettoelleth
two really really good stories by two really really new fanfic authors
da hookah! |
Are you two on the right thread??
Ghetto - your two cents on location of the twins 75 years after the WOTR?? |
At the kegger party at Ye Olde Buttfisted Balrog, where else?
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What did I do!? I offered you my theory, that's all. Seriously, if you read my fic, you will find my idea of what happened to the Elves who never sailed West. That was before you asked a more specific question, though. 
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Alassante
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| VanatheEverYoung wrote: | What did I do!?
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Oh puuuuulease! You an angel?? Hold on let me wipe the pepsi off my keyboard and screen before it gets sticky. At least you and Ghetto are playing nice today!
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What they said - it doesn't really say what happened to the twins afterwards, or the other elves who stayed behind, other than the fading thing. So you have a lot of freedom creativity-wise. Like, (since everyone else seems to be plugging their AU fics here  ) for example I had them living in London in 1889 and chasing after Jack the Ripper (what was I thinking?  ) in a story called 'Underworld', which is a bit ropey but it's on this archive somewhere.
And as for the elves living with Legolas in Ithilien, as far as I know, it never said how long they stayed or who exactly went with him. (again, in Bodysnatcher, *plug*, I had a load of them eventually move south into Harad, where a lot of them stayed as Harad slowly became Egypt, but then that was mostly so that the plot could work...) My point is those stories kind of worked canon-wise because there's not much to contradict the theory.
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Don't pay her no nevermind Vannums, she's just cranky cuz I introduced her to Mr. Comma and Mr Period yesterday.
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Alassante
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| ghettoelleth wrote: | | Don't pay her no nevermind Vannums, she's just cranky cuz I introduced her to Mr. Comma and Mr Period yesterday. |
Ghetto....nevermind....I cannot say it with other people watching.....but you know what I was gonna say....
Why don't we have an Emoticons that shows smiley flipping people off???
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