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Yavanie



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 10:31 am    Post subject: Elanor Reply with quote

anybody know enough about botany to have an idea what plant Tolkien might have used as an inspiration for elanor (or any other plants in ME)? Anybody in Europe know of any plant/flower that makes you think of elanor? know where to find a picture?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 10:51 am    Post subject: Re: Elanor Reply with quote

Yavanie wrote:
anybody know enough about botany to have an idea what plant Tolkien might have used as an inspiration for elanor (or any other plants in ME)? Anybody in Europe know of any plant/flower that makes you think of elanor? know where to find a picture?
thanks


I have a picture of the simbelmyne which was the one that Theoden talked about growing on the grave of his fathers/son. The picture is an avatar but I am sure that someone can enlarge it. If you need help with that, let me know.

here it is, maybe that will help:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Sinkitty/simbelmyne1.jpg

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 11:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I always thought that both elanor and symbelmyne were just made-up flowers? I don't know... Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 11:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eyborg wrote:
I always thought that both elanor and symbelmyne were just made-up flowers? I don't know... Rolling Eyes


If that is the case, then you could use that picture for either one or chose another flower.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 1:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the symbelmyne is beutiful. I am sure these flowers are made up but Tolkien based much of his stufff on real life. anyone know of a small yellow flower that would grow in europe (we've got a weed here in the states but it is not particularly attractive). I have another idea for the white flower, am looking for small yellow and real looking (not good at making up that kind of detail).
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 1:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.skatedc.org/pix/tahiti-2002/pages/yellow%20Flowers.html
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 3:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yavanie wrote:
anyone know of a small yellow flower that would grow in europe

The only one that comes into my mind right now is *looks into dictionary to find the English word* buttercup? We have a lot of that here in Iceland. Very beautiful flower. Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 3:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eyborg wrote:
Yavanie wrote:
anyone know of a small yellow flower that would grow in europe

The only one that comes into my mind right now is *looks into dictionary to find the English word* buttercup? We have a lot of that here in Iceland. Very beautiful flower. Smile


Buttercups were the ones I was thinking of. Or marigolds. Not sure what they look like, but they're yellow.

I used to know flowers and stuff, but I've forgotten most of it. Sad

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2005 12:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks ladies, lots of good pics of buttercups on google. some guy from australia took a photo trip of europe and took over 200 photos of buttercups alone! talk about needing to get a life! but lots of good pics, thanks for the suggestions.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2005 4:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DarkElfChilde wrote:
http://www.skatedc.org/pix/tahiti-2002/pages/yellow%20Flowers.html

DEC, that is quite beautiful.

A quick google search surfaced this:

http://www.ct-botanical-society.org/galleries/hypoxishirs.html

Yellow Stargrass, or Common Goldstar. Not as pretty, but fits the description of Elanor, I thought, nicely.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 22, 2005 4:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yellow Stargrass, or Common Goldstar. Not as pretty, but fits the description of Elanor, I thought, nicely.


I think they are prettier than buttercups (I prefer the long shapely petals). Did you notice that the photographer's name was Eleanor? Smile

I know of a flower that might fit the description of Niphredil, unfortunately I can't remember the name of it (the flowers grows in the woodlands near my parent's home - a few miles south-west of Loch Lomond - it has white petals that change to a pale green towards the centre of the flower).
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 23, 2005 2:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was thinking of Johanneskraut because of it's medicinal characteristics but it is seasonal and Tolkied describes the plant as growing like a weed, small and (I think) available all year round

Therefore it wouldn't be marigold either because that is quite big and is a summer flower.

I would go for the common buttercup or dandylion (which also has medicinal properties) Or maybe the common camomile - but that is actually white but available all year round...

However because it grows in the woods... it could be a wild form of primal or pansy but again you can only find them in the spring time.

hope this helps...
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