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 Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 4:41 pm Post subject: Would an elf call himself an elf? |
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Ok - here is the situation - my female OFC is a mortal and she says something to her elven love monkey that a normal man would do such and such and his response is
"I am not a mortal man, I am an elf." 
It just sounds wrong. So Keebler elfish! Help!! 
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What about 'one of the Eldar' or 'Eldarin'? (just off the top of my head).
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| Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 5:08 pm Post subject: |
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| SpaceWeavil wrote: | | What about 'one of the Eldar' or 'Eldarin'? (just off the top of my head). |
Yeah I forgot to mention this woman - is from earth and modern times - oops. 
Anyway - she would have no clue what that meant probably.
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| Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Alassante wrote: | | SpaceWeavil wrote: | | What about 'one of the Eldar' or 'Eldarin'? (just off the top of my head). |
Yeah I forgot to mention this woman - is from earth and modern times - oops.
Anyway - she would have no clue what that meant probably. |
Yeah, but I thought it was the elf saying this? So he would say whatever was normal for him to say, right? I mean, would he not call himself whatever was normal, then explain if he had to?
I'm rambling. Ignore me. Hopefully someone will hit upon the exact thing you're looking for.
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| SpaceWeavil wrote: | | Alassante wrote: | | SpaceWeavil wrote: | | What about 'one of the Eldar' or 'Eldarin'? (just off the top of my head). |
Yeah I forgot to mention this woman - is from earth and modern times - oops.
Anyway - she would have no clue what that meant probably. |
Yeah, but I thought it was the elf saying this? So he would say whatever was normal for him to say, right? I mean, would he not call himself whatever was normal, then explain if he had to?
I'm rambling. Ignore me. Hopefully someone will hit upon the exact thing you're looking for. |
Good point. Maybe you are right. I dunno. I am not an elf.
Don't laugh - are all elves one of the Eldar?
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| Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 5:34 pm Post subject: |
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Or even just Quendi.
Wood-elves might call themselves Lindi.
There are a lot of self-naming suggestions over on Ardalambion.
But "I am an elf" doesn't sound weird to me. I mean, duh, he knows what he is.  |
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Far as I know, originally it meant all elves, but then eventually came to mean all elves save the Avari (the ones who would have gone to Valinor with the Three Kindreds, the Noldor, Vanyar and Teleri, but the march was scheduled to leave at 9 am on a Sunday, and who's going to get up that early after a night's binge drinking in the Hither Lands?). Sorry. But basically yeah, save those elves who disappeared off by themselves, Eldar is a generic term for elves.
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| Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 5:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Alassante wrote: | | Don't laugh - are all elves one of the Eldar? |
Not laughing... I thought that only the ones who made the original trip west were Eldar (so, the Vanyar, Noldor, and Teleri), and the Moriquendi were, well, not Eldarin.
Or am I making stuff up again? Always could be the case... |
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| Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Alassante wrote: |
Don't laugh - are all elves one of the Eldar? |
I wouldn't laugh at that--the number of names given to the various elves can be staggering. Here is a quote from the Silm:
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The Eldar prepared now a great march from their first homes in the east; and they were arrayed in three hosts. The smallest host and the first to set forth was led by Ingwë, the most high lord of all the Elvish race. He entered into Valinor and sits at the feet of the Powers, and all Elves revere his name; but he came never back, nor looked again upon Middle-earth. The Vanyar were his people; they are the Fair Elves, the beloved of Manwë and Varda, and few among Men have spoken with them.
Next came the Noldor, a name of wisdom, the people of Finwë. They are the Deep Elves, the friends of Aulë; and they are renowned in song, for they fought and laboured long and grievously in the northern lands of old.
The greatest host came last, and they are named the Teleri, for they tarried on the road, and were not wholly of a mind to pass from the dusk to the light of Valinor. In water they had great delight, and those that came at last to the western shores were enamoured of the sea. The Sea-elves therefore they became in the land of Aman, the Falmari, for they made music beside the breaking waves. Two lords they had, for their numbers were great: Elwë Singollo (which signifies Greymantle) and Olwë his brother.
These were the three kindreds of the Eldalië, who passing at length into the uttermost West in the days of the Trees are called the Calaquendi, Elves of the Light. But others of the Eldar there were who set out indeed upon the westward march, but became lost upon the long road, or turned aside, or lingered on the shores of Middle-earth; and these were for the most part of the kindred of the Teleri, as is told hereafter. They dwelt by the sea or wandered in the woods and mountains of the world, yet their hearts were turned towards the West. Those Elves the Calaquendi call the Úmanyar, since they came never to the land of Aman and the Blessed Realm; but the Úmanyar and the Avari alike they call the Moriquendi, Elves of the Darkness, for they never beheld the Light that was before the Sun and Moon. |
From reading that (and the rest of the Silm) my conclusion was that the term Eldar and Elf was used pretty much interchangeably. The names for the different kindreds of elves (Vanyar, Noldor, Teleri) or cultures (Sindarin, Lindar, Silvan etc) is where they started differentiating amongst themselves.
But I think they would all refer to themselves as Elf or Eldar or Eldalië or even Quendi--the name they called themselves when they awoke (depending on who is speaking).
Those are my thoughts.
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| Viv wrote: |
But "I am an elf" doesn't sound weird to me. I mean, duh, he knows what he is. |
He could always say I am a sexy elven stud!!  I mean it is Elrohir...
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I call all my elves Dave......And my rangers Roy
(Come on Al, pleeeeaasee, you know you wanna)
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| ghettoelleth wrote: | I call all my elves Dave......And my rangers Roy
(Come on Al, pleeeeaasee, you know you wanna) |
You know you have me over a barrel so I have to name him Roy...can't wait to shout that one out. BUT You have to come up with a good name for his daddy. You know - Roy son of " " and it has to be good. No nicknames for Richard either.
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| Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Alassante wrote: | | Viv wrote: |
But "I am an elf" doesn't sound weird to me. I mean, duh, he knows what he is. |
He could always say I am a sexy elven stud!! I mean it is Elrohir... |
Oh, wait. Elrohir isn't an elf. He's peredhel. He wouldn't describe himself as an elf. So whew, you don't have to worry about it.  |
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| Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 11:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Viv wrote: | | Alassante wrote: | | Viv wrote: |
But "I am an elf" doesn't sound weird to me. I mean, duh, he knows what he is. |
He could always say I am a sexy elven stud!! I mean it is Elrohir... |
Oh, wait. Elrohir isn't an elf. He's peredhel. He wouldn't describe himself as an elf. So whew, you don't have to worry about it. |
Damn Viv!! Now what? He goes around saying "I am not a man - I am a peredhel." 
Maybe I should just have him say I am not a mortal man and stop right there!
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Howzabout "I am succulent scion of the famousest family in the history of Arda?"
He could even offer to show her his sword. |
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