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Amen! Well said ZDV, I think you pretty well summed it up.
Can I get a witness?
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SpaceWeavil
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| Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 9:04 am Post subject: |
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| ZeeDrippyVessel wrote: | | No, we need not bash anyone or anything. |
Well said. At the end of the day, I think most of us are writing fan fic for fun or a bit of escapism, so as far as I'm concerned, it's not up to me to say that people shouldn't be writing because I happen to dislike their particular style or subject matter. If their stories are in an open forum where reviews are expected or asked for, I might leave some constructive criticism, and it's up to the author to take that or leave it. I do get a bit narked when I get negative reactions to honest reviews that I've left trying to be helpful and encouraging, but still, the fact that the author doesn't think my opinion's worth anything doesn't give me the go ahead to bash. In that case, I would just step aside and remember not to review that author again. Like you said, Zee, why waste the effort.
| ZeeDrippyVessel wrote: | | I will not support someone who feels that in order to be important, they have to mock. |
You've said you might be seen as Diva-ish, Zee, but IMO I've always thought it would take a good deal of egotism to rubbish someone else's fic in open forum. I mean, are they saying they are so brilliant?
| ZeeDrippyVessel wrote: | | Same with reviews. If I'm flamed (and I have been) or reviewed by someone who posts in that kind of forum - I flush it. Their opinion is not worth my time. I had one flamer tell me that her 'review' for my story (she admittedly had only read the excerpts posted by the original flamer) had not been meant for my eyes. Well, if you can't review me on an honorable forum (and those places aren't), then again, your opinion is not worth my time and I'm certainly NOT going to put a whole lot of stock in it. She went on to say that if I truly wanted to improve, I would go to the site and ask for help... |
The thing about those sites that just makes me think less of their opinion is the fact that the 'reviews' there aren't linked to the original work (I know they post links or whatever but what I mean is, they don't leave the review where it can be readily found by the author - I mean I only found out about those sites from comments from other people and only found out I'd been mentioned because I got paranoid and went rooting around there.
| ZeeDrippyVessel wrote: | | Look at it this way - Mary Sue is a growing, learning experience for many writers. Sure with alot, she is a self-insert... the living out of fantasy and wishful thinking. Who DIDN"T want to be uber speshul when they were gawky with big teeth? |
I still am gawky with big teeth.  Well, big-ish teeth. But yeah, I think most of us have written something like a Mary Sue in our time. When I was young I wrote some Star Trek and Blake's 7 fan fiction, and I know for a fact that several of the characters were blatant self-inserts and would probably be dubbed 'Sue' in a matter of seconds. The only difference I think is that, when I wrote those, there was no internet or FF.Net or anywhere to expose the work. At that time I only had friends, family and an understanding English teacher, who looked over my work and gave suggestions, which I learned from. Now I look back and cringe a bit on some of the stuff I wrote, but I'm still glad I did. It just makes me wonder how many of the writers who may well be producing work that feels immature etc might feel the same way in a few years when they've improved, got older and are still trying to write stories for fun.
| ZeeDrippyVessel wrote: | | Rather than wasting my time mocking someone else, I'm really too busy improving my stuff and dealing with RL. I have no problems helping the writer that wants help. I dont' have time to waste on someone who is more interested in getting that next chapter posted and could care less about spelling, grammer and continuity. |
As I said above, I don't mind helping and offering concrit where it's a site like this and there's an obvious review function etc, but if the author reacts badly and tells me where to shove my opinion, (which actually hasn't happened that often on this site, I must say), then I just don't waste my energy any more. Like you said, RL and stories of our own need attention too.  (and I have something like 4 WIPs on the go at the moment, bad me  )
| ZeeDrippyVessel wrote: | Look. You are getting me on my soapbox.  Bad thread! Bad thread! |
Think it's contagious. But this is something I've been thinking about quite a bit lately. I've also been up all night being ill, and am now stuck in the house until I get a bit better, so have a little too much time on my hands
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Texasgirl
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| Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 6:49 pm Post subject: |
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okay zee... 
but i just read the thread at GAFF where they were beashing you and this entire site in general...including scribe, do, and mora.
SO...F*CKING....MAD.
left them a nice long message .........
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Viv
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| Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 7:02 pm Post subject: |
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TG and everyone:
Please don't start Stuff with hobbyist heckling sites. That is not what OSA needs. At best, you will simply succeed in luring them here. At worst, you could show up on Fandom Wank, which is not something that tends to make folks happy. |
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ZeeDrippyVessel
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| Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 11:00 pm Post subject: |
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Oh honey, PLEASE don't feed the trolls. They don't get it. Most times, they accuse ME of 'sockpuppeting' because they can't understand how ANYONE could like me! Every rating, every review, I created. Like I have time for that! This whole thing has been horrific and some of them ARE joining to point and gawk. In fact, the person who basically started the wank on me over a year ago - at 3 websites and a yahoo no less - (I guess she wanted to make sure I knew how much she hates my stuff - MESSAGE RECEIVED LOUD AND CLEAR!) has joined. She has stated publically she only reviews what she absolutely ABHORS (yeah, lovely life she must have, right?) and she is reviewing here. (Granted what I've seen here was a heck of a lot nicer than what she wrote me all FOUR times)
Right now I'm reeling with the information that someone is claiming to have "con concritted" me and "my minions" unindated her with so much hate mail she had to change her email and ID. That's news to me. I would never have anyone bash someone else for bashing me. It's stupid! I know what that's like! Anytime they go after me, i get hate mail like you would not believe! I have to set my email controls so that anything I get from people I don't know goes in the spam box and I dump it without looking. It's not fun. If someone is heckling people because they didn't like a review I got... but with the exception of two incidences, most CC I have gotten has been private and has been positive. Heck, I joined a writers group to hon TL! The only two public bashings I have gotten - one was my flamer and the other posted around the same time at a yahoo I lurked at how much she despised the pairing and hated NC17. The Pairing and rating was right there on the cover sheet - did she not read the disclaimers? Of course I didn't take her seriously. (And I've been wanked on over there for that to! By a 16 year old no less!) I have NEVER turned own con crit. EVER! (Unless it's at a flamer site and I think everyone knows how I feel about that.)
For the most part, I'm pretty glib. And people who don't KNOW me think I'm beee-atching when I'm not.
I would like to think I'm improving, but when stuff like THIS goes on and on and on and on, there are those who WON"T read me - just because. It becomes a personal vendetta. And yes, some of the jabs over there have been VERY personal. That's sad. Right now, I'm doing my best to stay away from the place. I find it negative and draining and cannot understand how ANYONE can hang out there for sport. I figure they must be sad, miserable individuals.
Oh gad. Look at the soap box...
TG - everyone... please leave it alone. Don't go there; don't post, don't respond. The more it is fueled, the longer the flames burn. This is SUPPOSED to be an enjoyable outlet. It's FANFICTION, not the air we breathe! If we like coloring with crayons that Tolkien didn't have, fine. If they don't like it, they are welcome to find something they THINK fits their mold. Let's be honest - who appointed THEM the keepers of the Tolkien Estate over what is and isn't good? Are they SELF- APPOINTED? What does Self- Appointed mean? Isn't that a dictatorship? Hmmm. And as I've stated before somewhere - if they can't REVIEW us honorably in a respected forum - and THAT is NOT a respected forum, then what does their opinion matter anyway? They make it difficult, so ignore it. May we please get back to the discussion at hand?
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ghettoelleth
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| Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2005 12:31 am Post subject: |
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Runs in and throws her perfectly taut body across the add reply button as her exquisitely formed breasts heave against the fabric of her really expensive Dolce and Gabbana nubby silk blouse.
NOBODY MOVE!!!!!!
shhh, shit attracts flies.
Hey Inglor, like mah new avi?????? he he he
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Alassante
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| Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2005 12:39 am Post subject: |
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OSA is a classy yet fun place with great stories! Let's keep it that way!!!
Back to the matter at hand - Anyone want to see a picture perfect Mary Sue?? read this by Ms. Viv. She is the only one I know who can cram more "Mary Sue'isms" into a short story! She's hysterical!
Fixed the link now peeps!
http://www.openscrolls.net/fanfic/story.php?no=85
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DarkElfChilde
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| Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2005 1:15 am Post subject: |
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-clicks the link-
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-clicks the link-
-clicks the link-
-clicks the link-
-clicks the link-
-clicks the link-
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Whaaa....??? Oh...
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http://www.openscrolls.net/fanfic/story.php?no=85
-clicks it-
There we go...
-slowly gets up to get some coffee-
brb...
- DEC
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dolarabee
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| Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2005 1:23 am Post subject: |
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| Viv wrote: | | At best, you will simply succeed in luring them here. At worst, you could show up on Fandom Wank, which is not something that tends to make folks happy. |
Actually, I think the worst thing would be luring them here... as we've already made the front page of Fandom_Wank over the weekend and I really didn't lose sleep over it.
These people are way easier to ignore where they hang out than if they come here with an agenda to wreak havoc and stir the pot.
do.
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Alassante
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| Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2005 1:25 am Post subject: |
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| DarkElfChilde wrote: | -clicks the link-
-clicks the link-
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Whaaa....??? Oh...
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http://www.openscrolls.net/fanfic/story.php?no=85
-clicks it-
There we go...
-slowly gets up to get some coffee-
brb...
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I fixed it! I fixed it! It was Ghetto's fault - she distracted me with her flabby body and her saggy boobs!
OOPS - I meant her perfectly taut body with her exquisitely formed breasts!
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DarkElfChilde
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| Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2005 1:34 am Post subject: |
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| dolarabee wrote: | | Viv wrote: | | At best, you will simply succeed in luring them here. At worst, you could show up on Fandom Wank, which is not something that tends to make folks happy. |
Actually, I think the worst thing would be luring them here... as we've already made the front page of Fandom_Wank over the weekend and I really didn't lose sleep over it.
These people are way easier to ignore where they hang out than if they come here with an agenda to wreak havoc and stir the pot.
do. |
It's sad that people have nothing better and mock everything they don't like, and continue it than doing something more constructive like avoiding "everything they hate" or helping writers or whatnot. 
Kids these days...no respect.
- DEC
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DarkElfChilde
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| Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2005 1:35 am Post subject: |
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| Alassante wrote: | | DarkElfChilde wrote: | -clicks the link-
-clicks the link-
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http://www.openscrolls.net/fanfic/story.php?no=85
-clicks it-
There we go...
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brb...
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I fixed it! I fixed it! It was Ghetto's fault - she distracted me with her flabby body and her saggy boobs!
OOPS - I meant her perfectly taut body with her exquisitely formed breasts! |
 Al, you crack me up. 
- DEC
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Yavanie
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| Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2005 2:00 am Post subject: |
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I discovered OSA shortly after I discovered the world of fanfic. This discussion reaffirms that it would be a waste of my time to explore elsewhere, save where the good folks here have posted reccommendations. Don't know what happened with VV but it doesn't appear it was a huge deal. wish i had the time and energy to devote to such a task, but as I don't, I look forward to seeing what creative ideas pop up in it's place.
Zee - loved the line "don't feed the trolls". gotta find a RL situation to use that one!
Thanks also to the admins who work so hard to keep this place so great to visit!
 I know....
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Alassante
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| Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2005 11:30 am Post subject: |
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| Yavanie wrote: | | I discovered OSA shortly after I discovered the world of fanfic. |
You're lucky. I discovered it after a massive amount of SLASH and MPREGs stories surrounded me.
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Thanks also to the admins who work so hard to keep this place so great to visit! |
Amen sister! We love our admins!
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SpaceWeavil
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| Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2005 12:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Alassante wrote: | | Yavanie wrote: | | I discovered OSA shortly after I discovered the world of fanfic. |
You're lucky. I discovered it after a massive amount of SLASH and MPREGs stories surrounded me.
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Thanks also to the admins who work so hard to keep this place so great to visit! |
Amen sister! We love our admins! |
I found OSA nearly right away, as soon as I started writing LOTR fan fic. Pretty happy that I did. (I mean, if I'd found HASA first, I'd probably never have written anything ever again  ). I posted for a while on FF.Net and on LOTR fan fic, but it's just not the same, so I've not updated and am gradually taking stuff off those sites (when I remember to). I've just found I have much more fun here, and it does make a difference getting feedback on stories from people you've talked with on the forum, especially if you've discussed that story beforehand. Feels like a team effort or a community here, and I haven't found that on other sites.
Just my tuppence worth
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