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NancyBrooke
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 Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 8:03 am Post subject: The Gift of Lembas |
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x-posted from the "Lembas the Conspiracy" thread elsewhere on this forum:
| Texasgirl wrote: | | Quote: | | I seriously doubt they were eating lembas like pasteries in the coffee shop. |
basically, lembas is (sooper speshul wickdly goood) elven-holy sing of worth, courage, and given to those who really need it - i don't think that haldir and co. out on the fences got any. |
If Lembas was so extra-special important, imagine the feelings of Aragorn, Gandalf (after-the-fact) and Legolas - i.e. those who would understand the significance - when they discovered Galadriel and Co. had given them a passel of Lembas. How would they feel: Awed? Justified? Humbled? Relived? and then -- what about when (if) they figure out how much the Hobbits are eating!! (Movie-verse, I know).
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Eruanna
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| Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 11:53 am Post subject: Lembas and elves |
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| NancyBrooke wrote: | x-posted from the "Lembas the Conspiracy" thread elsewhere on this forum:
| Texasgirl wrote: | | Quote: | | I seriously doubt they were eating lembas like pasteries in the coffee shop. |
basically, lembas is (sooper speshul wickdly goood) elven-holy sing of worth, courage, and given to those who really need it - i don't think that haldir and co. out on the fences got any. |
If Lembas was so extra-special important, imagine the feelings of Aragorn, Gandalf (after-the-fact) and Legolas - i.e. those who would understand the significance - when they discovered Galadriel and Co. had given them a passel of Lembas. How would they feel: Awed? Justified? Humbled? Relived? and then -- what about when (if) they figure out how much the Hobbits are eating!! (Movie-verse, I know). |
Nancy:
This is so true and a good lead-in for a short story.
The movie lembas came across as kind-of an elven Power Bar or granola bar--something to be casually eaten on a hike or travelling, not as something special to be given out by the queen.
I agree with Texas--the border boys would not have a stash of lembas with them to carry around to snack on.
The real military has those awful MREs--meals, ready-to-eat. I would imagine Haldir and his movie troops (the marchwards in general) would be pretty accustomed to foraging for their meals: acorn powder cakes, roots, leafy greens, flower petals (many can be eaten), beans, fresh fruits, spiced with rosemary, sage and all kinds of things one can find! (At home, we have a flower and herb garden and the rosemary is wonderful!)  Military survival school for an aspiring border-warrior must have been interesting for the elves. 
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NancyBrooke
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| Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 12:29 pm Post subject: Re: Lembas and elves |
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| Eruanna wrote: | | I would imagine Haldir and his movie troops (the marchwards in general) would be pretty accustomed to foraging for their meals: acorn powder cakes, roots, leafy greens, flower petals (many can be eaten), beans, fresh fruits, spiced with rosemary, sage and all kinds of things one can find! |
Another Plot Bunny!
A typical (I emphasize TYPICAL) day for Haldir and the "border boys" ( ). Could be crushingly boring; could involve scaveging for food, having KP etc. Maybe a good one for one of our military types around here.
Fresh Rosemary!! Yummmm ... 
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Eruanna
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| Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 1:14 pm Post subject: Re: Lembas and elves |
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| NancyBrooke wrote: | | Eruanna wrote: | | I would imagine Haldir and his movie troops (the marchwards in general) would be pretty accustomed to foraging for their meals: acorn powder cakes, roots, leafy greens, flower petals (many can be eaten), beans, fresh fruits, spiced with rosemary, sage and all kinds of things one can find! |
Another Plot Bunny!
A typical (I emphasize TYPICAL) day for Haldir and the "border boys" ( ). Could be crushingly boring; could involve scaveging for food, having KP etc. Maybe a good one for one of our military types around here.
Fresh Rosemary!! Yummmm ... |
Nancy:
I want to add here that Beren was a vegetarian--says right there in the Silm:
"...he became the friend of birds and beasts, and they aided him, and did not betray him, and from that time forth he ate no flesh nor slew any living thing that was not in the service of Morgoth."
--Of Beren and Luthien, Silm
Just as a treat, one can imagine the joy these beauties would delight in when coming across a berry patch or cherry grove! Or even a cache of honey!
By extension, I tend to think of those woodsmen/outlaws as vegetarians, too. I really imagine my Beleg as a real vegan, and by extension, the marchwards in general. When one lives in the forest and sees its bird and beasts, you think of them as fellow creatures. (Ever since I went SCUBA diving and saw living lobsters in the sea, I cannot bring myself to eat them if I know they have been boiled alive...JMHO...)
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| Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2005 1:44 am Post subject: Re: Lembas and elves |
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| Eruanna wrote: | x-posted from the "Lembas the Conspiracy" thread elsewhere on this forum:
The real military has those awful MREs--meals, ready-to-eat. I would imagine Haldir and his movie troops (the marchwards in general) would be pretty accustomed to foraging for their meals: acorn powder cakes, roots, leafy greens, flower petals (many can be eaten), beans, fresh fruits, spiced with rosemary, sage and all kinds of things one can find! (At home, we have a flower and herb garden and the rosemary is wonderful!) Military survival school for an aspiring border-warrior must have been interesting for the elves.
--Eruanna |
(A little off subject, but I kinda work my way back)
As an Active Duty member of the military, I have to say that not all of the MREs are terrible. The beef stew is actually a favorite. And trust me, when you're burning calories like mad, starving, tired and in need of a major energy boost, you really don't care what your food tastes like as long as it's edible and won't hurt more than it helps. Which would bring in some interesting aspects for the above-mentioned 'aspiring border-warriors.' When you're being taught which plants are edible and will keep you alive, your instructor isn't neccessarily focused on flavor. And healing herbs are notorious for having terrible flavors. The experiences of a new recruit in such a situation might be interesting to explore. |
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Eruanna
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| Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2005 8:21 am Post subject: Re: Lembas and elves |
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| Quote: | (A little off subject, but I kinda work my way back)
As an Active Duty member of the military, I have to say that not all of the MREs are terrible. The beef stew is actually a favorite. And trust me, when you're burning calories like mad, starving, tired and in need of a major energy boost, you really don't care what your food tastes like as long as it's edible and won't hurt more than it helps. Which would bring in some interesting aspects for the above-mentioned 'aspiring border-warriors.' When you're being taught which plants are edible and will keep you alive, your instructor isn't neccessarily focused on flavor. And healing herbs are notorious for having terrible flavors. The experiences of a new recruit in such a situation might be interesting to explore. |
Active duty? Hats off to you! I am sure you see the both the strategic and tactical sides of JRRTs world. The border-guards are really SPEC OPs men, camouflaged in grey cloaks, using stealth as a weapon. Remember that in Lorien, the three brothers decoyed the Moria orcs further into the forest, where they were ambushed and taken out by a larger group of elves...
Having taking Chinese herbs, yes, they are awful sometimes! LOL! But very powerful!
As for MREs, yes, some I hear are actually tasty. I love the little Tabasco bottles that used to come with them!
As for the border-guards and having to forage for food, I imagine as young aspiring warriors, they would be taught about healing herbs (not having a field first aid kit) and survival.
The modern military, as you must know, has the SERE schools (search, evasion, rescue, escape). Correct the acronym if I am wrong!  The modern military uses flash cards to drill in the memory of which plants and animals are edible.
No one wants to end up in the prison at Angband, right?
--Eruanna
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