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Ves
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 Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 5:29 pm Post subject: I have been struggling with this in my fanfic reading... |
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Ok, Here goes, as I have fallen in love with the LOTR, I have just now gotten into reading fanfic...... However, I can not believe the amount of slash and incest people are writing about elves....
What the h@ll is up with this... ??????
The Incest issue is what is so upsetting to me.
I can understand where some fans would write slash, or gay oriented themes, however, Incest is something I personally can not tolerate....
Am I the only one with these feelings.... ???
I mean is a writing "Mary Sue" if the plot is not slash or incest oriented.
Does anyone out there feel the same way??
I mean, I don't intend to come off sounding preachy because that is not me. I enjoy a well written erotic story but incest...... come on....
Thank you for letting me express my frustrations.
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Thuriniel
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| Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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Welcome to the wonderful world of LotR fanfiction  .
I see that you have already been initiated in the unbelievable amounts of slash and other interesting subjects for writing out there. I would say that if you don't appreciate slash and find incest/twincest disturbing, you'll find yourself at home in here.
As for Mary Sue ... we have a very interesting thread going on at the moment on the Sue Problem. I'm sure you will find it enlightening. Let me search for it and I will be back with a link.
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SpaceWeavil
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Slash for me is the same as everything else. If it's well written, I don't have a problem with it, and have even found some that I thought was very good (in a non-LOTR fandom, admittedly). I have also found some that I found hilarious because it was so anatomically impossible, but anyway..
As for incest, I must say I haven't really come across this much in LOTR, but then I was lucky in that OSA was the first LOTR fan fic site I discovered, and the majority of my reading has been here. I have only read one incest story here, one by Ilistine, and that was a very good story where the twist at the end kind of negated the incest issue. (Shan't give away the twist, but it's a good story). The one story I've seen that actually does involve proper incest I found distasteful because of the writing style and the way that the incest was used for shock value rather than anything else put me off after a few paragraphs.
Generally I avoid the incest stories, except where it is a grey area, like cousins (I have had to add an incest warning to my own fic, And in the Darkness Bind Them, because the woman the Witch King has a bit of a fling with is actually his cousin, but on asking people's opinions I was told some people might consider this offensive as well, even though historically in this world the situation wouldn't have been noticed.)
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I hate it too, and also slash and mpregs. That shit is disgusting and I bet if Tolkien were alive today, he'd be sick to his stomach from the amount of those types of stories.
Mpregs are so freggin stupid and physically impossible, and don't ask me why people enjoy writing that type of crap. Gags! 
But that's why I came here, and I practically live at the OSA because there's none of that crappy material here.
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Welcome home Ves
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Eruanna
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| Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 6:50 pm Post subject: Re: I have been struggling with this in my fanfic reading... |
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| Ves wrote: | Ok, Here goes, as I have fallen in love with the LOTR, I have just now gotten into reading fanfic...... However, I can not believe the amount of slash and incest people are writing about elves....
What the h@ll is up with this... ??????
The Incest issue is what is so upsetting to me.
I can understand where some fans would write slash, or gay oriented themes, however, Incest is something I personally can not tolerate....
Am I the only one with these feelings.... ???
I mean is a writing "Mary Sue" if the plot is not slash or incest oriented.
Does anyone out there feel the same way??
I mean, I don't intend to come off sounding preachy because that is not me. I enjoy a well written erotic story but incest...... come on....
Thank you for letting me express my frustrations.
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Ves:
Welcome to our little corner of fandom. 
A well-written slash story with a lot of thought and knowledge of ME can be a very compelling and entertaining read. But there is SO much bad slash out there to be had! There are pairings of all kinds to be had, as well.
Fangirls have fallen in love with the lovely elven male leads and end up writing Legomances and Haldimances. Those golden- and silver-haired beauties get the imagination rolling. Ah, yes, and a certain raven-haired beauty (who wed Celebrian!)--are you listening Weavil?! 
My definition of an outrageously Mary-Sue Haldimance:
Haldir, the lovely marchwarden of Lothlorien, marries his childhood elf-maid sweetheart after the War of the Ring. They have a huge wedding with many guests from the Free realms of Middle-earth, and raise a fletfull of happy, beautiful elven children. They live (literally) happily (for)ever after. End of story. Oh, and I forgot, the bride in the story is named Sally. 
Hail and well met, Ves.
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| Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 7:10 pm Post subject: |
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Welcome Ves. You have come to the right site for non-slash. I agree totally with you about the amount of slash. I know one particular site that for every one story of het there are 20 of Slash and there are maybe one in fifty that are not romance/slash/sex driven. Now I am a romance writer more than anything else so I have no problem with it but I like to read other people's stuff that has more in it because of their knowledge of the various Tolkien books. Through them I can understand more of the whole universe not just the romance part.
As for Mary Sue - I think that Mary Sue definitions vary so much that 10 people will give 9 different answers. Let's be honest, if you look at the classic Mary Sue description, then Tolkien's females (Eowyn and Galadriel and Arwen in the movie) were pretty Mary Sue having above average fighting skills or other abilities and none of them were butt ugly either. And Mary Sue doesn't mean a bad story actually. There are plenty of writers who write Mary Sue and admit it is Mary Sue, yet people love the stories. The above description of a Mary Sue by Euranna is not my description so as I said it varies.
Now as for Slash/incest or any kind of incest stories. Personally I cannot stomach them but that is me. Maybe some people want to read about Elrohir and Elladan or the Lorien brothers doing that kind of thing but I am not one of those people. Now when you got slash/incest/MPRG in the same story - then you gotta wonder what is in the writers head. 
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Welcome to the insanity Ves! Yeah, I generally stay away from the Slash fics out there....unless like others have said, they're VERY well written. Incest......*shudders* unless we're talking about the middle ages and how people have married to keep the royal blood lines "pure"...that's historical fact. Now-a-days, it's taboo. However, the facts of the world are stranger than those fictionalized.
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| Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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I have no problem with slash, especially well-written stuff. Even the syrupy obviously-written-by-a-female-who-has-no-notion-of-real-boylove stuff. In such stories, the main characters are consenting adults, and I'm all for them getting off.
That said, it is nice to escape to someplace on the 'net that is slash-free. OSA is one of those rare places.
Incest ... well, it depends on the story. Maeglin lusting after his cousin Idril -- who he didn't even meet until they were both far into their adulthood -- to me, isn't squicky. Eomer and Eowyn playing doctor is squicky.
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Ves
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Thuriniel,
Hello it is a pleasure to meet you. Thank you for answering my post. It makes me feel good to have allies.... Quizz Amdin, uhmmmmm What an AWSOME Job..... I hope your real life is as fun... I can't wait to see what you come up with next......
Jess,
Cool Avatar... I am glad to know that you share the same feelings and thoughts about fan fiction. So you are inlove with our Elrond.... ???
Hello Dark Elf Child,
Now, I thought I had seen everything too, but male pregos......  Now come on, I am so glad Prof. T is not alive to see this ..... Now about your avatar, I did not have my glasses on earlier.... you are so bad.....heheheh..... love it...... 
Hello Inglor,
How are you doing? When I read your post I almost cried because, I did feel at home after reading your words, for that I thank you...
Eruanna,
Sally, the bride's name was Sally...
That called for a drink..... It is a pleasure to meet you....
Hail and well met to you Dear Eruanna
Alassante,
Thank you for your kind words.. However, I have one thing to say.....Why is your avatar so small?... I would love to see that picture better......wink wink wink.......
Hello Secret Keeper,
I blush to tell my friends what fan fictions I have read..... They would have a fit.... You see, I am probably the embodiment(sp) of "Mary Sue".... it pains me to say so but it is true. I never got in trouble at school and now I am a teacher.... oh, well.
It is a pleasure to meet you.....
Hello Viv,
Good point . It is a pleasure to meet you. By the way, What is on your Avatar.... Challenge Admin, do you take bribes...
Thank you all for answering my post. I thought I had introduced myself before not. I will go and post in the welcome section and tell you all about myself.
Hail and well met,
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| Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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Welcome Ves!
Haha... this is my second LOTR website, I used to frequent warofthering.net but moved here because at that time they didn't have fanfiction section.
Yes, believe me. Now, when I'm explored the other fanfiction websites, I believe for het fans or coughhackconservativefolkshackchoke like me this would be the place to be.
And yes, incest is downright abhorrent. Disgusting. Few words can be used to decribe its...vileness.
So hurrah for OS  for coughhackchokecleancoughhackchoke fanfics!
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Jess,
Cool Avatar... I am glad to know that you share the same feelings and thoughts about fan fiction. So you are inlove with our Elrond.... ??? |
Don't know why everyone thinks I have a thing about Elrond....?  I think I have one story here that isn't about Elrond. 
Seriously, Ves, welcome to the site. If you've had a bad lot trying to find decent stories in the past, then you should enjoy it here. I reckon there's a real community feeling at this site, so it is like being home, as Inglor said. (I'm coming over all fuzzy as I type this)
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| LuthienTinuviel wrote: | | And yes, incest is downright abhorrent. Disgusting. Few words can be used to decribe its...vileness. |
I think that sometimes it squicks me, but I don't mind it if it's handled well (like slash, really).
"From the Other River Bank" by Dwim is very good. There's nothing graphic in it. She comes at it from a very pratical angle, and explores all the different issues involved.
http://www.henneth-annun.net/stories/chapter.cfm?stid=5
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| Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2005 10:38 am Post subject: |
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Dear Ves,
wlecome to your home away from home! This is the place for you!!!! front page says it all, a place for nonslash stories. They have their place and you get what you're looking for, just like here. Anyway, welcome to the home of other Tolkien fanatics and geeks.
hehe, and before TexasGirl slips in here, HOWDY!!!!!!!
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