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BittenBuggy
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 Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2003 11:35 am Post subject: Battle in the Shire....Should it have made the movie? |
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I have to say that I wasn't surprised when it didn't make the movie. Personally, it would have been a little...anti-climactic. You have these huge battle scenes and these touching moments and then you have a battle with a group of men and not even 100 hobbits. (Not to mention the movie might have been 4 hours long then.) What do you guys think?
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ElvenRanger13
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| Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2003 2:16 pm Post subject: |
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I agree. When I first heard they were going to make a movie I didn't think they would add that scene in the movie.
But really if you think about it that scene was pointless really.
All that really happens is you get to see in how much the hobbits have really changed.
In away I'm glad it wasn't in there because the movie wouldn't have been 4 hours long. They would have kept the 3 hour limit, but have that scene in there and waste time when they could have filmed something more important.
But my one complaint about that movie is it should have been at least 5 hours long. There were alot of scenes that you could tell were cut. That should not have been cut.
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| Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2003 2:52 pm Post subject: |
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Personally, I'm of the belief that they so didn't make enough movies. RotK could, quite feasibly (in my mind) have been split into another whole film. Now, whilst I realise that this would have been impossible to market ("Yes, it's Return of the King part two, in which the King actually Returns!") due to the manner in which the book is split up, but I would have absolutely loved to have seen the little things like Legolas in Ithilien, the Scouring of the Shire, Queen Arwen's death, Sam going to the Havens...
Alas, it is not to be. And it's probably a good thing that RotK isn't even longer - it's bad enough having to sit through the whole thing not eating or drinking as it is! 
(I read somewhere, though, that the uncut version ran to something like seven hours long. Bring on November, when I can watch a longer version with a pause button!)
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Viv
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| Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2003 4:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Hathor wrote: | | I read somewhere, though, that the uncut version ran to something like seven hours long. |
Where can I order my copy?? |
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Panneth
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| Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2003 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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My personal feeling is that the films are about the journey to destroy the ring, whereas the books are about the personal journeys all the hobbits go on. If you look at it that way then the Scouring of the Shire is just a pointless extra half-hour to the film.
It would have been in my version though, along with Legolas gardening in Ithilien... topless (Maria you have a lot to be responsible for for putting that image in my head!).
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Thuriniel
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| Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2003 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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When I first read the Scouring of the Shire, I thought it was quite anti-climatic. It's probably my least liked section of the whole trilogy, so I didn't cry when they left it out. I know it serves the purpose of showing how the Hobbits have been changed by the Quest, but I was so dissapointed to see them go back to a ruined Shire.
Panneth, I like your theory of the movies being about destroying the ring, while the books being about the personal journeys of the Hobbits ... does this mean that you're going to forgive PJ for certain changes? ... such as elves in saddles? ... I highly doubt it !
As for Legolas gardening in Ithilien topless... couple of chapters and we'll be there ... I'm looking forward to it as well,  !
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Panneth
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| Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2003 4:56 am Post subject: |
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| Thuriniel wrote: | does this mean that you're going to forgive PJ for certain changes? ... such as elves in saddles?
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Over my dead body 
| Thuriniel wrote: | | As for Legolas gardening in Ithilien topless... couple of chapters and we'll be there ... |
Hurry up! |
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| Viv wrote: | | Hathor wrote: | | I read somewhere, though, that the uncut version ran to something like seven hours long. |
Where can I order my copy?? |
Haha! Same. |
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nosferangel
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| Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2004 11:53 pm Post subject: |
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WHAT BATTLE exactly?
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BittenBuggy
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| Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2004 12:01 am Post subject: |
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Hehe... We've got a real newbie here girls... This should be fun...
The hobbits return back to the Shire after the War of the Ring, but everything has been corrupted. So, Merry, Pippen, and Sam (Frodo doesn't like the idea) battle this handful of men with about 100 hobbits. Then they find out that Saruman and Grima are responsible for it all, Saruman kicks Grima, he starts crying and then kills the old wizard.
There. Now, somebody come along and explain it better please. I'm getting sleepy.
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Varda
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| Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2004 6:12 am Post subject: |
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| Viv wrote: | | Hathor wrote: | | I read somewhere, though, that the uncut version ran to something like seven hours long. |
Where can I order my copy?? |
Put me down for one as well - wonder how much that takes? Likely 3 DVDs. Now that's what I call a movie.
But seriously I was thinking they should have made six films. You do all realize that LOTR has six books, conveniently packaged in three volumes because the publisher wouldn't publish it in six?
Besides that if they'd have moved Shelob back into volume two where she belongs there'd have been more time for other things in ROTK.
nb. even though they call my name in that scene I still think Shelob is not portrayed as she should have been - she's not scary! [In the book she was the 'wipe out an army' kind of enemy, not the 'take a dozen good warriors and she's toast' type -- remember, Sauron considered her a far better guardian of the pass into Mordor than anything he could come up with...]
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Varda
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| Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2004 6:26 am Post subject: |
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| Thuriniel wrote: | | When I first read the Scouring of the Shire, I thought it was quite anti-climatic. It's probably my least liked section of the whole trilogy, so I didn't cry when they left it out. I know it serves the purpose of showing how the Hobbits have been changed by the Quest, but I was so dissapointed to see them go back to a ruined Shire. |
It's funny to see people complaining about this scene. What Tolkien wanted to show is that evil is all around us, and that while fighting the greatest evils is important it is also vital to remain vigilant of the lesser ones [in many ways they are harder to defend against as they can worm their way through the smallest gap in our defences] - for in many ways they can be just as evil (if not more so) and annoying as the greatest ones. Furthermore this scene was supposed to show how far Saruman fell - from being the Leader of the White Council, head of an army or Orcs - all the way down to being essentially powerless (left with nothing but his cunning voice) and reduced to 'petty mischief' to get back at the hobbits which had managed to derail his plans. And (perhaps) lastly this sets the stage for explaining why the 4 returning Hobbits were later well-treated in the Shire. Without some sort of trouble brewing at home (and them saving the Shire) one can assume that they wouldn't have really been welcome home - they'd have been disturbing the peace with all their new ways and new friends (Elves, Dwarves, Men of Gondor, Gandalf...) visiting from time to time. And they'd never have later become the Mayor and held other prestigious places in Shire hierarchy.
Note that Bilbo after returning from his quest was in many ways shunned as eccentric in the Shire the same fate would have befallen our 4 Hobbits - except they were even more mixed up into adventure than Bilbo (and would have continued to receive strange visitors for decades to come). It is likely that they could have possibly felt so changed and unwelcome that they'd have left the Shire alltogether.
Furthermore this leaves room for planting the Great Mallorn tree in the Shire (Galadriel's gift from Lothlorien).
And as a last note: the Lord of the Rings is a tale about the War of the Ring (and its destruction) and the end of the age (of Men) and the fading of the power and might of the Elves [and of course about four Hobbits ]. Obviously this War was a worldwide important event and it would have been illogical if nothing had changed in the Shire - the entire Middle Earth was shaken up, and as such there had to be changes there as well.
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Varda
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| Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2004 6:37 am Post subject: |
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| Hathor wrote: | | Alas, it is not to be. And it's probably a good thing that RotK isn't even longer - it's bad enough having to sit through the whole thing not eating or drinking as it is! |
That's a good thing? How could less of a great movie be a good thing?
But seriously they should have split it into two (and how do you market that?)...
I'm hoping that the EE edition of ROTK will contain much much more, anybody care to take a guesstimate of which scenes will be added in? Think they'll add in the Scouring of the Shire? etc...
Up till now the EE editions have been only moderately longer than the film (by 45 minutes up to an hour if I'm not mistaken). Will ROTK EE be an hour longer or will they go delightfully overboard and make it two hours longer or even double length? Maybe there'll be both an EE and an EEE ROTK as well (that's Extremely Extended Edition).
Well, one can always dream on under the starry sky.
nb. How do you like this sequence of 3 long posts? 
I'm almost ashamed to be posting this... 
Instead of measuring number of posts it should measure number of bytes of unquoted text one posts (in reviews as well) that way I'd have more than the 20 or so posts and 9 reviews I have currently (when compared to others anyway).
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BittenBuggy
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| Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2004 9:39 am Post subject: |
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Varda should get an award for longest-most-frequent-most-hard-to-understand-posts 
(Not that we don't appriciate the knowledge)
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Thuriniel
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| Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2004 11:20 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Will ROTK EE be an hour longer or will they go delightfully overboard and make it two hours longer or even double length? |
Varda,
From what I've heard, the RotK EE will be about 55 minutes longer than the theatrical version. I suppose that we can't complaint a lot, if we have in mind that RotK has been the longest movie and it will get the longest addition of the three movies in the EE ... but I wish PJ would give us a little more ... they should do a especial EE for us geeks ! I read somewhere that FotR had about 4 hours of extra footage ... we only got 35 extra minutes in the EE, so who knows ... maybe in a few years they will release the EE of the EE!
As for your comments about the Scouring of the Shire, I totally understand the very good, valid reasons you give for it being in the book. But, I still find it anti-climatic, dragging, and slow. It's not my intention to doubt its worth to the whole of the story, nor its validity ... it's just a question of my very own personal taste.
And I totally agree with BittenBuggy ... thanks for passing on the knowledge !
Maria
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