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SpaceWeavil

Joined: 27 May 2004 Posts: 23 Location: Looking at shiny things
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Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 9:20 am Post subject: Multiple part stories |
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I need a bit of advice. Which do you reckon is better - a mammoth, long story with loads and loads of chapters, or splitting it up into different 'stories'?
I'm thinking about this for 'And in the Darkness Bind Them'. Ideally I would like to make it one story, but if I do, it will be absolutely massive, and I would think this'll put a lot of people off (that's if the subject matter, lack of established 'sexy' characters etc doesn't put them off first ). It would divide up easily into seperate parts, but I don't think it would be possible for the parts to stand alone, if you know what I mean. So although the stories would be shorter, you would need to read the previous stories or that part wouldn't make sense. So in that case would it be better to keep it as one?
I really am not sure what to do with this and have been trying to decide since I started writing the thing, but I can't, so I thought I'd throw it open for opinions. As I said, I would ideally like to keep it as a big, self-contained story, but would that put people off? _________________ Pervy Nazgul Fancier and owner of Fluffy the Fell Beast |
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SilverMoonLady

Joined: 14 Jul 2003 Posts: 1201 Location: Breaking in a Brandybuck... *wicked grin*
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Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 9:36 am Post subject: |
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If the parts can't stand alone, I'd just as soon see it as one larger story, but then I'm hooked:)
But really, I do think it will be fine as a large story; it has worked well for others in the past. _________________ Suffering an again off again connection with life...
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VanatheEverYoung
Joined: 22 Aug 2004 Posts: 0 Location: USA
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Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 9:45 am Post subject: |
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I love long stories, but there has to be a cap at some point. If I see that a story has 125 chapters or such (yes, I did see that once), then I tend to think that the writer is just rambling on and on and on with no point to the story, so I skip it. You know I'm hooked on Darkness, so I'll read it anyway. But, later on when someone new to OSA stumbles on Darkness and sees this massive story about Ringwraiths, they might skip it. _________________
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NancyBrooke Challenge Admin
Joined: 11 May 2003 Posts: 160 Location: In a motel 6 by the airport
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Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 10:49 am Post subject: |
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Maybe I have a short attention span ... I would be much more likely to read a series of stories than one mammoth one. I have limited time online and often can't finish more than a chapter at a time. Consequently, I usually don't even try chapter fics (my loss, I know) unless the subject matter is irresistable.
An important editorial question, however, is the one SML brings up: will the parts stand alone? _________________ NB Duchess of WHY TF Cant'chu Punctuate, First Duchess of F*&(ing &*ll yur comma placement sux!
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SpaceWeavil

Joined: 27 May 2004 Posts: 23 Location: Looking at shiny things
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Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 11:01 am Post subject: |
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| NancyBrooke wrote: | Maybe I have a short attention span ... I would be much more likely to read a series of stories than one mammoth one. I have limited time online and often can't finish more than a chapter at a time. Consequently, I usually don't even try chapter fics (my loss, I know) unless the subject matter is irresistable.
An important editorial question, however, is the one SML brings up: will the parts stand alone? |
I don't really think so. That's my problem. Maybe that's a problem with the writing, but I don't think anyone would be able to follow it if I split it up. At the moment, because it's the Ringwraiths before-they-were-dead so to speak, I'm afraid it reads too much like an OC story anyway. I think it'd be worse if I split it up. But I also can't think of any way to shorten it and still tell the story.
I realised when I started it that it wouldn't interest most people, as it's nowhere near in the league of 'Cursed Queen', and it's not entirely romance-orientated. But I reckon I've made it even harder for people to get into just from the length of it. Now I don't know what to do with it, short of going back to the drawing board and starting again, but making it so it could be split up.
V. Confused _________________ Pervy Nazgul Fancier and owner of Fluffy the Fell Beast |
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NancyBrooke Challenge Admin
Joined: 11 May 2003 Posts: 160 Location: In a motel 6 by the airport
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Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 11:17 am Post subject: |
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You sound like you're not entirely happy with it yourself, ... and, first and foremost, I think you should be writing for your own enjoyment ... the fulfillment of an idea etc.; heck with what other people will get or not get. So, soldier on!!
But, maybe, just maybe, you might be having to go through this to find the heart of your story. Perhaps, when you get to the end and can see it as a whole, you might find you're able to trim it down to a more readable version more likely to please an audience if that's a concern for you (and it sounds like it is). (insert hoping-to-be-helpful-shrugging emoticon here)
I know that's currently happening with my fic: I've just about completed the second chapter and already I'm trimming the fat out of it. But I had to write out everything to think it through ... now I'm finding out that a lot of what I had to get on paper isn't really important to tell the story.  _________________ NB Duchess of WHY TF Cant'chu Punctuate, First Duchess of F*&(ing &*ll yur comma placement sux!
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SpaceWeavil

Joined: 27 May 2004 Posts: 23 Location: Looking at shiny things
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Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 11:35 am Post subject: |
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| NancyBrooke wrote: | You sound like you're not entirely happy with it yourself, ... and, first and foremost, I think you should be writing for your own enjoyment ... the fulfillment of an idea etc.; heck with what other people will get or not get. So, soldier on!!
But, maybe, just maybe, you might be having to go through this to find the heart of your story. Perhaps, when you get to the end and can see it as a whole, you might find you're able to trim it down to a more readable version more likely to please an audience if that's a concern for you (and it sounds like it is). (insert hoping-to-be-helpful-shrugging emoticon here)
I know that's currently happening with my fic: I've just about completed the second chapter and already I'm trimming the fat out of it. But I had to write out everything to think it through ... now I'm finding out that a lot of what I had to get on paper isn't really important to tell the story.  |
I'm happy with the story in that I'm enjoying writing it and even if it wasn't posted anywhere I would probably keep on writing it just to keep myself happy. But I'm thinking if I'm going to post it in public, it's because I want people to read it and get as much enjoyment out of it as I have from writing it.
I suppose actually I have to just write it. I was trying to think if there was a way I could rewrite the first and last chapter of each part so that it could be split up, but because I've had to create the whole backstory for the WK and this carries on all the way through, I think anyone stumbling on the later bits would be totally lost. That's a good idea about maybe refining it later. Might do some more with a mind to doing that later.
I'm aware I write stories that are too long. I've been snarked at about it in my previous fandom, but I just like to build things up and have fun as I'm writing. Just hard trying to balance that with the fact that I'm on a public archive, and if I want people to read, I should bear them in mind as well or else not publish the stuff. (Or at least that's what the folks in my last fandom said).
Just typical though. The story I loathe and detest with all my living being is the one that my readers like, and I have even been PMd to update, while the one I love to bits is the least popular.  _________________ Pervy Nazgul Fancier and owner of Fluffy the Fell Beast |
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Eruanna

Joined: 11 Jan 2005 Posts: 426 Location: Dor-Cuarthol, betwixt the Bow and the Helm...
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Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 11:41 am Post subject: Re: Multiple part stories |
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| Quote: | | I need a bit of advice. Which do you reckon is better - a mammoth, long story with loads and loads of chapters, or splitting it up into different 'stories'? |
I like the idea of writing an initial story and then writing follow-ups or sequels. (Or even pre-quels.)
Now that I am no longer a fic virgin (blush) I can say this makes sense! I am already feeding plot bunnies for my next fics.
--Eruanna _________________ "I have returned from the Northern Fences," said the Elf, "and I am sent now to be your guide again." |
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SpaceWeavil

Joined: 27 May 2004 Posts: 23 Location: Looking at shiny things
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Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 12:02 pm Post subject: |
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I just ried chopping it up and fiddling with it, but I actually think I'll leave it alone for now. I'm thinking it might be easier to slice and dice it once it's finished than it is now. Or at least I'm going to leave it a while before I decide whether I can change it to make it work as little stories.
Of course I could try not being so damn verbose in the first place, in which case the problem wouldn't arise...
Maybe I should finish it and then post it of course... (but that would be sensible) _________________ Pervy Nazgul Fancier and owner of Fluffy the Fell Beast |
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SilverMoonLady

Joined: 14 Jul 2003 Posts: 1201 Location: Breaking in a Brandybuck... *wicked grin*
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Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 12:24 pm Post subject: |
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honey, I know what you mean:) I definitely find that for every 10 pages I write, only mayb a third of that ends up in the final version of it all, but the other stuff has to come out before it is trimmed. This would be why I have a very large stack of stuff in my "hack & slash" pile right now: lots and lots of trimming to be done.
Go ahead and write it up as it comes; I don't yet find anything in your WK story that doesn't seem to belong there, and I *like* how very substancial your writing style is:) Rather like a good meal!
Sil
*awaiting the next course eagerly* _________________ Suffering an again off again connection with life...
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Viv Challenge Admin

Joined: 24 Apr 2003 Posts: 71 Location: Texas
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Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 2:47 pm Post subject: |
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| SpaceWeavil wrote: | | I realised when I started it that it wouldn't interest most people, as it's nowhere near in the league of 'Cursed Queen' |
Actually, it is, from what I've read so far.
Let the story tell itself; I trust you not to waste words (and therefore my time) by putting in unnecessary filler that just ups the word count. That's my major beef with most long fic, but I haven't encountered it with what I've read of your stuff.
I prefer stories all in one package. One of the more frustrating things in the reading universe is wandering into a Half Price Books and seeing used stuff by an author I admire... but the store only has Volumes 5 and 9 of 10. Feh. Doesn't matter who the author is, I generally skip that crap.
Same with fic: If I see "Part 4: Yada Character Does More of the Same," I generally skip it (unless, on very rare occassion, I've read the previous installments). |
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inglor

Joined: 26 Apr 2004 Posts: 853 Location: Not here, not there, not anywhere
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Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 3:04 pm Post subject: |
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Maybe for each section you could add a little prologue that would bring the reader up to date. I haven't read said fic (though it is on my to read list) and don't know if this would be workable but...
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KhazarKhum

Joined: 02 Sep 2003 Posts: 234 Location: Quartz Hill, CA--USA
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Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 11:01 pm Post subject: |
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First off, it's a wonderful story, and a good read.
Are you worried about what happens when the later Nazgul come into play? Or are you just concerned about the current story???
Oh, and I sure think it's as good as "Cursed Queen"!  |
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SpaceWeavil

Joined: 27 May 2004 Posts: 23 Location: Looking at shiny things
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Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 11:02 am Post subject: |
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The way I've worked it out, the other Nazgul come into it as part of the Witch King's story as well, if that makes sense, rather than individual stories. They all sort of weave together later on. Although they're not all involved with the Witch King directly, his 'story' is like the main theme through it all. (I have no idea what I'm talking about ).
It sort of divides up into sections therefore by the stages he's at, rather than by 'Ringwraith', if you get me. That's why I'm not sure if it would be okay to split it, as it all runs on like one big story. Just it's going to be one long story,  _________________ Pervy Nazgul Fancier and owner of Fluffy the Fell Beast |
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SilverMoonLady

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Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 11:06 am Post subject: |
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Nothing wrong with a long story, so long as it is a good story . And this one is:) _________________ Suffering an again off again connection with life...
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