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Rocheron
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 Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2005 3:33 pm Post subject: Ring of Barahir |
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Oh you wise ones!
Need some help finding Tolkien's description of the "Ring of Barahir" to many references in the WWW showing the ring from the movie which is different than the text of Sim.
Anyone, can you lead me in the right direction?
Many Thanks in Advance,
RO, the ring wanter.
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"...green jewels gleamed there that the Noldor had devised in Valinor. For this ring was like to twin serpents, whose eyes were emeralds, and their heads met beneath a crown of golden flowers, that the one upheld and the other devoured; that was the badge of Finarfin and his house.”
The Silmarillion
Of all the LotR jewelery, this is the one I'd get, assuming I could afford it.
I'm a hopeless Finrod fan.
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NancyBrooke
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| Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2005 3:59 pm Post subject: |
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Does anyone know where (if) it's described in the Trilogy? I spent some time trying to find it, thought it was there somewhere; couldn't find it.
Just curious.
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ellisk
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| Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2005 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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How the ring was preserved when Arvedui was lost in the ice is described in Appendix A:
‘But Arvedui did not take his counsel. He thanked him, and at parting gave him his ring, saying: "This is a thing of worth beyond your reckoning. For its ancientry alone. It has no power, save the esteem in which those hold it who love my house. It will not help you, but if ever you are in need, my kin will ransom it with great store of all that you desire.”
But the only actual description of the ring that I remember is from the Silm but it seems very odd that there wouldn't be one in the Trilogy.
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Eruanna
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| Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2005 10:49 pm Post subject: Ring |
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| ellisk wrote: | How the ring was preserved when Arvedui was lost in the ice is described in Appendix A:
‘But Arvedui did not take his counsel. He thanked him, and at parting gave him his ring, saying: "This is a thing of worth beyond your reckoning. For its ancientry alone. It has no power, save the esteem in which those hold it who love my house. It will not help you, but if ever you are in need, my kin will ransom it with great store of all that you desire.”
But the only actual description of the ring that I remember is from the Silm but it seems very odd that there wouldn't be one in the Trilogy. |
Ro:
I can think of the place in the Silm "Of Beren and Luthien" with Beren wandering as an outlaw: "...for he held it now aloft, and the green jewels gleamed there that the Noldor had devised in Valinor."
"But knowing his danger he held ever aloft the ring of Felagund."
The movie prop is available in silver from:
http://www.noblecollection.com/catalog/catalog.cfm?catid=17
You may already have this...
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Rocheron
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| Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2005 11:16 pm Post subject: |
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Ok, the ring is described in ROTK App A.
How well do you think the movie version represents Tolkien's description?
I want Yav to make me one.
RO, the ring wanter
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Eruanna
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| Rocheron wrote: | Ok, the ring is described in ROTK App A.
How well do you think the movie version represents Tolkien's description?
I want Yav to make me one.
RO, the ring wanter |
Ro:
Emeralds and serpents, yes. But no flowers...
But I think Yavanie can be inspired by Aule to make a better one! 
Hold it aloft and say, "Behold in awe here--upon my finger--the craft of my love and wife, goldsmith of Texas!"
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| Rocheron wrote: | | RO, the ring wanter |
| Eruanna wrote: | Hold it aloft and say, "Behold in awe here--upon my finger--the craft of my love and wife, goldsmith of Texas!"
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NancyBrooke
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| Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 10:20 am Post subject: |
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| Rocheron wrote: | | Ok, the ring is described in ROTK App A. |
Thanks, Ro; I'll look again ... thought it must be there but couldn't find it the first time.
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Yavanie
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| Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 2:04 pm Post subject: |
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okay, here's a good, short essay on the rign, it's history and possible disposition.
http://valarguild.org/varda/Tolkien/encyc/papers/ringBarahir.htm
so, do you think the one in the movie was a good representation of it or would you like to have seen something different, if so, what?
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Rocheron
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| Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2005 1:33 am Post subject: |
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More info for the Ring
http://www.elvenkingdom.net/emblems/index.php
Golden flowers from Finarfin's currency
sorry about the size of the pic
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Rocheron
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Anybody know the signifigance or meaning of the two serpents and crowns of flowers?
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Gypsum
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| Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't know if Tolkien ever explains the significance. I think it's just the symbol of the House of Finarfin. |
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Yavanie
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| Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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Gypsum,
thanks for jumpin in.
I know he never explained it exactly (i've searched, asked, begged). anway, I'm sure there is some Tolkien Geek lurking around the site that has some clue as to where the Professor got his inspiration. He was a very learned man with diverse interests and very much of what he wrote drew inspiration from the things he studied. I just know someone out there knows more about the man than I have so far discovered. There's got to be some reason he chose snakes, particularly two, and the fact that they uphold a crown and one devours it has to have some kind of significance..
Pure speculation welcome!!!!! (if I can get Ro to scan my sketches, I'll submit them here for criticism as well)...
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