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cymrulady



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 5:04 am    Post subject: To sleep or not to sleep, that is the question. Reply with quote

I have a question I'd appreciate members opinion on , please.
Do Elves sleep and if not, then do you think very young Elves would?

If you consider that sleep is an essential part of growth for a child, I find it difficult to believe that even Elf children would develop without it. (Yes, I know Elves are special, but we are talking about a fact of nature here. I would think everything needs time to regenerate and so far I have heard read many variations, eg.,
Elves sleep, but with their eyes open and Elves do not sleep.

What do you think?

Thanks

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 9:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You will find quite a bit of information on Elven sleep in "The Two Towers". Legolas is described as "sleeping" while running / walking with Aragorn and Gimli (when they're following the orcs that have Merry and Pippin). He's also described as resting on the ground, with hands folded on his chest, and eyes open.

... can you say eerie and vampire complex Shocked ?!!!!

Because of this, I've always assumed that Elves don't need much sleep, and when they do, they're really resting their mind, as if they were in a "waking dream."

As for elven children ... I'm afraid that all I've read in this subject comes from fanon rather than canon, so I cannot be of much help. But remember that Elven children don't develop the same way that human children ... and who's to say they would need their ZZZZ's as much as human children do? (all I can say is ... poor elven parents ... )

Hope this helps!

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cymrulady



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 9:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, it's a bit clearer now. Still pondering the 'littles Elves' question 'though. I suppose it may have to pass into the category of 'Things Tolkien Never Told Us' - lol! Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 12:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pretty much all young creatures sleep a great deal. I doubt that Elves are any different.
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PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2005 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is the very question I was going to ask myself --do elves sleep? If not, what are those beds at Rivendell for? The comfort of the guests?

I can see I need to revisit The Two Towers book. However, Legolas's sleeping behavior out in the wilderness might not be indicative of the way Elves behave in the comfort of their homes and flets. The very existence of an Elven house indicates the need for some kind of "down time." And if they don't use beds for sleeping, that brings up the question of where and how they practice their procreation. <g>

In the movie commentary, John Rhy-Davies makes a reference to Elves snoring and breaking wind -- probably just to embarrass Orlando Bloom yet again. I submit that if Elves do fart, it makes the sound of tinkling bells and has the aroma of incense. <g>
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cymrulady



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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2005 2:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

He-he! Thanks for that. The last bit really made me smile. I assume you're talking about the commentary for ROTK ext. ed. I've not listened to it yet but is it the part where Legolas and Gimli have a drinking competition? I'll have to have a listen.

As to your comments about why Elves have beds - I agree. I can't imagine ANY living thing could go for thousands of years without sleep! I also think Legolas was only 'switched off' when he ran whilst 'asleep' - sort of running on standby.

Anyway, thanks again. Smile

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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2005 11:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cymrulady wrote:
He-he! Thanks for that. The last bit really made me smile. I assume you're talking about the commentary for ROTK ext. ed. I've not listened to it yet but is it the part where Legolas and Gimli have a drinking competition? I'll have to have a listen.

As to your comments about why Elves have beds - I agree. I can't imagine ANY living thing could go for thousands of years without sleep! I also think Legolas was only 'switched off' when he ran whilst 'asleep' - sort of running on standby.

Anyway, thanks again. Smile


Yes, that would indeed be the ROTK EE cast commentary, in which poor Orlando takes some ribbing from everyone. John RD's comments are made during the "drinking scene." This is not to be missed.

I just took a quick peek at the Two Towers book and saw that Elves seem to "sleep" with their eyes open just as Gandalf was shown doing in ROTK. As for running while on automatic -- hell, I've done that myself once or twice.

In any organism, the function of sleep serves two purposes - to rest, and also to keep the individual motionless and out of danger at the appropriate times of the day or night. In species with hign mental function, sleep also provides psychological regeneration.

I'm going to take a bold guess that Elves sleep, but they do it the way horses do -- lightly and ready to snap to consciousness if the need arises. And they may relax a bit more when they're at home in controlled surroundings.

So, what was Legolas doing up the night after the victory party at Edoras? That is, other than to be there to deliver yet another of those "heavy with portent" lines that they always gave poor Orlando? My guess is, he was taking a leak. Or nursing a bad case of the "Ale Insomnia."

Here's another question -- do Elves get hangovers? <g>
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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2005 12:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just had to toss this one in......

It's not all that uncommon for people to fall asleep in the middle of an activity when they're overtired. When I was in the Military in basic training, I knew people that fell asleep while marching in formation...and marched better than when they were awake! Shocked As a matter of fact, my hubby's one of them Laughing

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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2005 1:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shanalir wrote:
I knew people that fell asleep while marching in formation...and marched better than when they were awake! Shocked As a matter of fact, my hubby's one of them Laughing

Awwww ... and you married him anyway! That's so cute! Laughing




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