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PostPosted: Mon Jan 12, 2004 12:34 am    Post subject: Culinary Habits of Middle-Earth Reply with quote

Sigh.
Doh!

Again, this is rather a stupid question on my part, but has anyone come across a reference in the books to sandwiches? If it were to be in any specific culture, I would guess it to be a Hobbit invention, but then again, who knows?

I realize that the sandwich is the legendary invention of the Earl of Sandwich sometime in the fourteenth century, but it seems like such a useful little technique for travellers of short distances to carry with them.

Feedback is appreciated. So are e-mails telling me that I'm being far too anal-retentive.

Thank you,

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 12, 2004 5:04 pm    Post subject: sandwiches :) Reply with quote

I don't remember any specific reference to sandwiches... in fact there is actually very little description of food itself. I will be digging about tonight to be most accurate... Hobbits do sound like very good candidates for sandwichers, since they would wish to take snack or picnic anywhere they might go and it is a very practical form. Come to think of it, rangers might stick something in bread too for those long treks...
And who am i to accuse anyone of 'anal-retentive' behavior... I just spent three hours looking up information on the specifics of riding sidesaddle, for a passage two sentences long! Rolling Eyes Wink


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2004 2:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm... I have seen a couple of fics where Frodo, Sam, Pippin etc have had sandwiches. Although I know that is no substitiute for facts from LotR, The Hobbit etc. Hehe. Since hobbits have such a passion for foods, I definatly think if the sandwich was introduced into Middle Earth that hobbits would be the people to do it Lurk Drunk

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2004 2:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you both for your replies! Big Hug

Since hobbits aren't featured in my story as of yet, I think I'll forgo the sandwich reference and write something along the lines of "he folded the meat and cheese into a thin slice of bread, consolidating both his meal and his hunger in this brief respite."

Or something like that.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2004 3:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="PoweroftheBook"]

"he folded the meat and cheese into a thin slice of bread, consolidating both his meal and his hunger in this brief respite."

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I'm never going to figure out this quote business -

Just wanted to say yes what a lovely sentence. Or you could rename the sandwich like this: He folded the meat and cheese between the bread in the manner known to the hobbits as 'pippinses'.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2004 3:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"pippinses" Bounce

(giggle) I love it! Unfortunately, in my story, hobbits don't yet exist. If I were to use it in a future story, would you mind?

Humbly,

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2004 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm currently working on a fic that envolves food. In Mirkwood (one of the infamous 'forest circles') what kind of food would they eat?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2004 5:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not sure about sandwiches, but isn't the premise behind shepherd's pie and cottage pie similar: portability? Stuffing things into pie-crusts (especially really hard and inedible ones) goes back to the Greeks, or further, so portable food is not really a modern thing.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2004 8:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leila wrote:
I'm currently working on a fic that envolves food. In Mirkwood (one of the infamous 'forest circles') what kind of food would they eat?


Isn't there something in The Hobbit about the Dwarves seeing the Elves in Mirkwood having a feast in the forest? I'm pretty sure it mentions what kind of food they were eating, but I don't have my book with me. I think it was in the chapter Flies and Spiders. Sorry I couldn't give something specific.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2004 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And Frodo and Sam share a meal with Elves in the Woody End, don't they? On their way east?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2004 10:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay, I was wrong - they only mentioned one thing the Elves were eating in The Hobbit and it was roast meats. Then it mentions that they served the Dwarves meat and bread, and that's about it. It just says they passed bowls around to each other at the feast.

Nancy's suggestion was better - From FotR: "There was bread, surpassing the savour of a fair white loaf to one who is starving; and fruits sweet as wildberries and richer than the tended
fruits of gardens; he drained a cup that was filled with a fragrant draught, cool as a clear fountain, golden as a summer afternoon."

Can't think of anything else off hand, but I'll keep an eye out. Smile

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 14, 2004 2:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the Hobbit, the elves are seen eating roast meats of all sorts i.e. venison, rabbit, bear perhaps. Everything they could hunt probably.

They also traded with the people of Laketown for wine and other farm products. You have to remember that in a wood, you would be unable to grow a lot of wheat or oats. Even if you had a clearing there wouldn't be enough sunlight for the crops to mature. On the other hand, they would have planted a few fruit trees and no doubt would have had a herb garden somewhere.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 14, 2004 10:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I checked The Hobbit out from my school library, but haven't really had time to read through and copy down the stuff I want to. Semester exams are next week and I have a huge project due tom. that is about half or so done. Sad
Thanks for the help. Maybe, if I get very lucky, I'll find time within the next week to do some work on my fic.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 14, 2004 10:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know the original question didn't pertain to hobbits, but I have often wondered what kind of food they ate on that whole long journey, before the lembas, that is.

In the films we see Frodo packing a loaf of seeded bread for the journey, Aragorn tosses our Apples for second breakfast and hunts venison, and Sam and Merry make a dinner of "sausages, tomatoes, crispy bacon" below Weathertop. Can't imagine carrying sausages, though! unless they were already cooked. Bacon, of course was smoked and salted (yum!). Then there's the famous stewed rabbit. Still, it's hard to imagine what they ate on the 'road'; can't count on foraging mushrooms all the time!
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