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Rhapsody
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I can imagine that Nancy! *feeds her bunny more carrots* 
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Leaward
Joined: 11 Dec 2004
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Location: a tiny padded room in Arnor
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Also, is there any info about by who or if the Northern Palantir was used?
It was set so that it only looked toward Valinor, and it was used by Elves...probably mostly by homesick Noldor. As I recall, Gildor Inglorion and his group had just come back from using it when they encountered Frodo and Sam. |
I know I'm coming to this conversation really late (as in a month), but I was just reading this about the palantir and realized this topic had come up here -- it's in the Unfinished Tales, the Palantiri, Note 16:
"One only remained in the North, the Elendil Stone on Emyn Beraid, but this was one of special properties, and not employable in communication. Hereditary right to use it would no doubt still reside in the 'heir of Isildur', the recognized chieftain of the Dunedain, and descendant of Arvedui. But it is not known whether any of them, including Aragorn, ever looked into it, desiring to gaze into the lost West. This Stone and its tower were maintained and guarded by Cirdan and the Elves of Lindon. [Author's note] -- It is told in Appendix A (I,iii) to The Lord of the Rings that the palantir of Emyn Beraid 'was unlike the others and not in accord with them; it looked only to the Sea. Elendil set it there so he could look back with 'straight sight' and see Eressea in the vanished West; but the bent seas below covered Numenor forever.' Elendil's vision of Eressea in the palantir of Emyn Beraid is also told in 'Of the Rings of Power' (The Silmarillion p. 292) 'it is believed that thus he would at whiles see far away even the Tower of Avalonne upon Eressea, where the Master stone abode, and yet abides.'
Hey, does that mean that the Master Stone could see both Denethor's and Sauron's Palantir so the elves on Eressea could see what Sauron was up to? Rats, another plot bunny attacked! Time to get out those mithril shin guards again...
(And I also find it interesting that in the movie they have the stone covered with a cloth, yet the stone could see through mountains, a cloth would not have stopped Sauron from seeing all that went on in Orthanc. Only darkness prevented the Stone from seeing around it. But I guess that would have been difficult to describe on film.)  |
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GypsieRose
Joined: 09 Jul 2003
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Location: Illinois, USA
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About those late marriages, I just ran across this while looking up something else in the "Akallabeth":
| Quote: | | For the lords of Numenor had been wont to wed late in their long lives and to depart and leave the mastery to their sons when these were come to full stature of body and mind. |
Perhaps this custom persists in the Realms in Exile. It also reminds me of Merry and Pippin turning over their estates to their sons before they go off on their last trip to Rohan and Gondor.
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KhazarKhum
Joined: 02 Sep 2003
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Location: Quartz Hill, CA--USA
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The custom of marrying late apparently does continue in the Realms in Exile. This despite the danger of civil war or the complete loss of the bloodline should one of the kings fall in battle. Such a fate occured throughout Arnor, and of course Earnur never married.
One wonders if the Numenoreans matured at a slower rate, not physically but emotionally. |
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