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ElvenRanger13



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2004 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only thing I'm sure about is, Legolas did have brothers.
In Hobbit it states
"Thranduil and sons".

So Legolas isn't Thranduil's only child.
I heard in a interveiw with Orlando Bloom he said Legolas is 2931.
It could be false. Peter mite have made up a age. I think he is older than that.

I've heard the rummor that Legolas was the reincarnation of the elf from Gondolin I was like Shocked

Is it true. Anyone know? I've heard alot of rummors about that before.


Even though we don't know much about this wonderful Elf we still love him.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2004 5:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The only thing I'm sure about is, Legolas did have brothers.
In Hobbit it states
"Thranduil and sons".


That is such a great find! When I read The Hobbit I wasn't too interested in Legolas (didn't hit me until I read the trilogy) ... only elves in general, but I must've not paid much attention to that tiny detail.

Do you recall the name of the chapter where the quote is? I would love to have it for reference. And it might help explain why in fanfic Legolas tends to have brothers more often than sisters Wink .

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2004 5:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No I'm sorry I don't know what chapter its in, I would look for you but I don't have the book right know. A friend of mine is reading it. I will look when I get it back. I'm sorry.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 16, 2004 6:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shocked Brothers? Yay! Very Happy That will be fun....
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 16, 2004 5:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good lord, I'm so happy someone could find something about the guy!
And also that I actually can help out a bit, too. tolkien did state (dunno where, thought... guess it was UT) that he named the elf from Gondolin Laiqualasse, exactly to prevent misunderstandings like those. can't remember the precise wording, but the gist was: No, two differetn elves. (leggy could have been named after the guy... hey, it's possible!)
Plus, re-incarnation is a very touchy subject. I do not think Leggy would be Thranduil's son if so, there would hardly be time for him to be born (whilst yet within the realm of possibility). The ones tha came back gained even their old names and likeness, it does not strike me as a possible thing that leggy would be born.
ok, so LoTR does not say he didn't come back, right?
I think a status like that would hardly pass unnoticed. I mean, look at Glorfindel. Somewhere in the silm (? Memory for fonts is terrible, thankfully don't forget the facts so easily) It is mentioned that Glorfindel and Finrod were the only ones that were released from the halls of mandos (thought it could be the kinslaying thing.)
I tend toward the 'NO', for all scarce facts we know.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 16, 2004 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ElvenRanger13 wrote:
The only thing I'm sure about is, Legolas did have brothers. In Hobbit it states "Thranduil and sons".

So Legolas isn't Thranduil's only child. I heard in a interveiw with Orlando Bloom he said Legolas is 2931. It could be false. Peter mite have made up a age. I think he is older than that.



Legolas's age isn't ever given - it's always been a source of mystery along with most things about him. Peter Jackson did give Orlando Bloom this age, I think possibly because of his acting techniques. I saw a scene in the extended edition of FotR where Viggo Mortensen and Sean Bean were giving Orlando Bloom a hard time when filming one scene - they were standing off to the side telling him, 'Be the Elf', 'Become the Elf'. Maybe he's an immersion-type actor and needed an age to relate to the character? That was all I could figure.

I would be interested to see where you found the mention of Thranduil and his sons. In the Hobbit I thought he was only referred to as the Elvenking and never by name, and I don't remember seeing any mention of sons. Although I know there are some differences between the various editions, so I wouldn't rule it out all together. Smile

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 16, 2004 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This came from my memory when I first read it. (9 years ago) I don't know if it states ElvenKing or by his name. I don't know. I remembered that it did say sons. I mite have read this somewhere else. But I know Legolas has brothers.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 16, 2004 10:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The paperback edition I have of The Hobbit doesn't have an index to browse for tidbits like this, but I did a 'find' on a .doc I have of the text and didn't find Thranduil's name at all. I also searched 'sons' and found no ref to Thranduil, Elvenking or Elf-sons.

Hope this helps.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 16, 2004 11:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As I said before I mite have read this somewhere else.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 16, 2004 11:51 pm    Post subject: Where the? Reply with quote

Okay I have looked through the Hobbit, Unfinished Tales AND the Silmarillion. Legolas is the only son of Thranduil mentioned. Unless there is something in History of Middle-earth I don't think it says anywhere that Thranduil has sons.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2004 11:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well in the Ecycopedia of Arda:

Thranduil is elsewhere identified as one of the Sindar. Tolkien touches on this question in his Letters, where he describes Legolas as '...a Woodland Elf, though one of royal and originally Sindarin line.' (The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien No 297, dated 1967, our italics). The explanation for this is found in the History of Galadriel and Celeborn (in Unfinished Tales), where there's a brief account of the arrival of Thranduil's father Oropher among the Silvan Elves of Greenwood the Great. It's made obvious there that Oropher and his small band of Sindar merged themselves completely with the Silvan people of the Wood, leaving behind their Sindarin inheritance. That's why Oropher's grandson Legolas thinks of himself as a Silvan Elf, rather than one of the Sindar.

So that might give a little hint, and I have read the older version of hte hobbit many of times, and I have yet to see the fraze, 'Legolas and sons'. I know if he would have had sons they would have been mentioned while they were going for the treasure.

And looking back in history in Catholic dominated societies if it was of major importance Kings sent their heirs as a sign of good will. Even if there was none. So in short, yes a king would send his heir. Often heirs were chess peices, and so on so forth. There was other kingdoms that would not send a heir. But yes Tolkien is Catholic so one can assume which he prefered.

I hope this helped, I know I'm an air brained writer that has hard times going by the rules, but this is what I know. Tolkien gave us a mystory. Oh and fair hair dosn't mean blonde, it means soft, good in condition.

Okay I shut up now. No one listens to what I say anyway.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2004 6:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No brothers? Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2004 7:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BittenBuggy wrote:
No brothers? Crying or Very sad


Oh, I don't know why you couldn't write him brothers if you wanted to. Tolkien not mentioning brothers or mothers doesn't necessarily preclude there being any. After all, Tolkien didn't mention a lot of things; in The Hobbit, he never even gave Thranduil a name. Smile

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2004 9:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yay! I don't have to rewrite half my fic! Banana
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 07, 2004 10:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I couldn't find anything concerning the number of sons that Thranduil ever had in The Lord of The Rings, The Silmarillion and The Hobbit. Even some essay I downloaded off the net written by some dude who took a Major on Tolkien's History of Middle Earth in University.

What I did found out was about Thranduil's heritage from The Unfinished Tales;

"The people of Lórien were even then [i.e. at the time of the loss of Amroth] much as they were at the end of the Third Age: Silvan Elves in origin, but ruled by princes of Sindarin descent (as was the realm of Thranduil in the northern parts of Mirkwood; though whether Thranduil and Amroth were akin is not now known.) 15 They had however been much mingled with Noldor (of Sindarin speech), who passed through Moria after the destruction of Eregion by Sauron in the year 1697 of the Second Age."

I don't think there were any sort of Legolas other than the one we know and love. I checked that too and anyways, I deducted that although certain elves may have their names derived from mortal heroes (Haldir of Lorien is named after Haldir of Brethil, for instance) no elf is renamed after another. I agree with the opinion that it would be awkward, honored or not, to have two immortal elves with the exact same name.

Let's just say that the elves' are all smart enough to be creative on their choices of names. =)

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