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BittenBuggy

Joined: 27 Dec 2003 Posts: 2108 Location: Busy Being the Queen Of Everything.. And Trying to Catch the Yoda-Copter
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Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2004 6:45 am Post subject: Hair in Middle Earth |
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Was their such a thing as a razor in ME? I mean, the elves didn't have to worry about it, but what about the mortal men...especially women. One would assume that they didn't. So why are all the mortal women in fanfiction seemingly as hairless as the elves?
It's all "soft smooth skin" and no doubt that's more desirable, but is it realistic? Besides, who says that Elrond and Legolas can't have hairy leg fetishes?
So basically, if you're writing fanfiction, and there is a mortal woman involved, should you say no hair, or yes hair? _________________ -The Queen of Everything - so dubed by Aerin
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sindohte

Joined: 13 May 2003 Posts: 1621 Location: Rubbing up against an Elf
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Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2004 7:48 am Post subject: |
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It is possible or even probable that the higher born mortal women of Middle Earth would have been running around smooth and hairless. However, the average woman would have probably been sprouting some leg and arm hair.
Hair removal would be done more so for reasons of cleaniness than beauty, since excess body hair could hold lice and other little nasties back. You have to take into account the fact that people in general were not bathing everyday. Water may have been scare or hard to get, so if given a choice between using water to drink vs. washing the body, water to drink or cook with would get first priority.
Some information about women and shaving
http://beauty.about.com/cs/shaving/a/shaving_history.htm
Here's a bit of info about the history of razors in general http://homepage.dtn.ntl.com/paul.linnell/electricity/razors.html _________________ abandon thought, and let the dream descend... |
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BittenBuggy

Joined: 27 Dec 2003 Posts: 2108 Location: Busy Being the Queen Of Everything.. And Trying to Catch the Yoda-Copter
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Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2004 1:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | Roman women (400 B.C.) borrowed the idea of using a razor and if that wasn't handy, they used a pumice stone. Greek women around the same time came up with a different method... they singed it off with a lamp.
Jumping ahead to 60 A.D, we find women still using dipilatories and again the ingredients were a little bizarre. Resin, pitch, bats blood and powdered viper went into this more modern formulation. Early dipilatories once contained rat poison! |
Ok….. I got that off one of the sites. Since ME isn’t exactly set in these time periods, which method of hair removal would probably be most appropriate? Razors, rat poison, pumice stone (don’t even know what that is) or burning it off? _________________ -The Queen of Everything - so dubed by Aerin
-"My ultimate fantasy is to entice a man to my bedroom, put a gun to his head and say, 'Make babies or die'."
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sindohte

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Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2004 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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I would say some type of creme would be used. As for the exact ingredients, I would have no idea. _________________ abandon thought, and let the dream descend... |
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sindohte

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Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2004 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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Here's a bit more info for you about hair removal methods. I would say that the women of Middle Earth might have heard of the process of body sugaring and use that as a way for hair removal. Likely they would have heard rumors of it being used by the Haradrim women. Here is what the site listed below has to say on the subject http://www.depilatory.com/ages.html--
No doubt Middle Easterners used a hair removal process called body sugaring, involving the application of a natural, sugar-based paste (usually sugar, lemon and other natural ingredients cooked to the consistency of soft taffy) that was either rubbed or pulled off in the opposite direction of hair growth.
If I was writing a fanfic that involved hair removal, this would be the method I would have my female characters use. There is just something off putting reading about a character spreading cat dung or some other noxious substance on their legs and other body parts so they can be all smooth for their sweetie. _________________ abandon thought, and let the dream descend... |
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BittenBuggy

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Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2004 5:59 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | If I was writing a fanfic that involved hair removal, this would be the method I would have my female characters use. There is just something off putting reading about a character spreading cat dung or some other noxious substance on their legs and other body parts so they can be all smooth for their sweetie. |
Don't worry, I am more concerned with whether they COULD remove hair, and I wanted it to be realistic for the time period. I don't think I'll be describing the actual process.....
Thanks for the help! _________________ -The Queen of Everything - so dubed by Aerin
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sindohte

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Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2004 9:03 am Post subject: |
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Whew, you have definitely relieved my mind. While I do like historical accuracy in any story I might read, ignorance - especially of certain private grooming techniques - can be bliss.  _________________ abandon thought, and let the dream descend... |
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NancyBrooke Challenge Admin
Joined: 11 May 2003 Posts: 160 Location: In a motel 6 by the airport
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Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2004 9:51 am Post subject: |
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| Look back over the forum ... seems to me we've discussed this before. |
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miriel361
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Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2004 12:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Maori women (New Zealand, Polynesia) used a very effective method to get rid of leg hair. The took flax, stripped it using a shell until only the fasers remained. And then they rolled it back and forwards along their legs. The hairs would get trapped between the fibres and be pulled out. Thus two birds were killed with one stone: hair removal and great rope. |
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Andreth
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Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2004 2:11 pm Post subject: |
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| miriel361 wrote: | | Maori women (New Zealand, Polynesia) used a very effective method to get rid of leg hair. The took flax, stripped it using a shell until only the fasers remained. And then they rolled it back and forwards along their legs. The hairs would get trapped between the fibres and be pulled out. Thus two birds were killed with one stone: hair removal and great rope. |
Ouch....sounds like an early form of the Epilady. And I thought men were the Sadists who invented that thing.  |
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sindohte

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Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2004 2:16 pm Post subject: |
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| NancyBrooke wrote: | | Look back over the forum ... seems to me we've discussed this before. |
Nancy,
I did a quick looksee but did not find anything. Are you maybe thinking of the infamous Underwear in Middle Earth thread?
sindohte _________________ abandon thought, and let the dream descend... |
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Roisin

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Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2004 11:21 pm Post subject: |
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I seem to remember talking about this too...but I think it was in a thread on another topic?
Anyway, my own vision of ME includes good teeth for most of the populace, good hygeine, and hair removal that takes place off-stage. Hey, it doesn't have to be EXACTLY like medieval Europe.
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sindohte

Joined: 13 May 2003 Posts: 1621 Location: Rubbing up against an Elf
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Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2004 8:52 am Post subject: |
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| Roisin wrote: | | my own vision of ME includes good teeth for most of the populace, good hygeine, and hair removal that takes place off-stage. |
For some reason that makes me think of Monty Python. I can imagine a large building in ME called the Ministry of Naughty Bits, where hair removal, teeth whitening, hair coloring (you didn't think Elves were natural blondes did you?) takes place.
Poor sweet Smeagol is dire need of a hair transplant. Perhaps Frodo can give him a card to the Ministry, because his baby soft skin indicates he is a devoted user of their brand of facial products. _________________ abandon thought, and let the dream descend... |
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RadicalElf

Joined: 05 Jan 2004 Posts: 3 Location: Rivendell
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Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 1:20 pm Post subject: Re: Hair in Middle Earth |
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| BittenBuggy wrote: | Was their such a thing as a razor in ME? I mean, the elves didn't have to worry about it, but what about the mortal men...especially women. One would assume that they didn't. So why are all the mortal women in fanfiction seemingly as hairless as the elves?
It's all "soft smooth skin" and no doubt that's more desirable, but is it realistic? Besides, who says that Elrond and Legolas can't have hairy leg fetishes?
So basically, if you're writing fanfiction, and there is a mortal woman involved, should you say no hair, or yes hair? |
No offense, but what in God's name made you think about this??  _________________ seere n'e
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BittenBuggy

Joined: 27 Dec 2003 Posts: 2108 Location: Busy Being the Queen Of Everything.. And Trying to Catch the Yoda-Copter
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Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 2:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | No offense, but what in God's name made you think about this?? |
I was in the process of working on a piece of fanfiction, and I asked my husband to beta it for me. Well, he got to the smut scene and asked me why the mortal women were hairless. (He's very much a leg-man) It perplexed me
So I figured as long as there was a way to remove hair in ME, I could keep the "hairless" line in my smut (Very much into realism)
That's all! _________________ -The Queen of Everything - so dubed by Aerin
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