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AngmarofCarnDum
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>What was Aragorn going to do if Arwen went West? Did he
>have a backup plan? He seems to have assumed that she
>would marry him--but that was by no means assured. Eowyn
>had already gone to Faramir; where would Aragorn look for a wife?
Elfhild (my co-writer, who seems to be quite knowledgeable in these matters  ) suggested, "Always look to Rohan when aid is needed."
I would more or less concur with her. Gondor could use a healthy dose of fresh blood.
Actually, at one time Tolkien considered having Aragorn dying unmarried and childless. "But my father added in a hasty scribble the possibility that Aragorn did indeed love Eowyn, and never married after her death." (The Treason of Isengard, "The King of the Golden Hall," p. 448)
(Yes, Tolkien considered having Eowyn die in at least one rejected version. This is told about in The History of Middle-earth series.) |
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KhazarKhum
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Actually Eowyn's death is a logical ending. The actual scene at Pelennor is a bit....contrived. (not that I'm biased or anything)
As to Aragorn dying alone & childless--that would fall too close to Arthurian legend for many to stomach easily, I think. Tolkien made a good call there. |
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Galadriel8891
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Hmm...now there's an interesting plot bunny. What would have happened if Eowyn did die? We'd find out how Aragorn really felt about her, for one...and then there's Faramir....
Anyone thinking of making this a story?  |
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Mitasova
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| NancyBrooke wrote: |
There is a plot bunny in there somewhere ... one that has been lurking in my hutch for sometime. Even if Boromir preferred fighting to marraige, or - to put it another way - thought the defense of Gondor more important than getting an heir, having put it that way I can only imagine he would have been made to marry before too very long, if he had survived. |
Well, Denethor himself was hardly a poster child for early marriage so pot, kettle.
In fact I consider this a very strong argument against any kind of arranged marriage in Dunedain cultures (Rohirrim included). That was something that simply wasn't done, even with the dynasty's survival at stake. |
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KhazarKhum
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The Dunedain seem to have delayed marriage & birth for quite a while, probably because of their lifespans.
However, one reason some of them delayed marriage may have been the lack of suitable partners. The northern Dunedain seem to have been rather rare--even their largest settlements aren't very big, nor heavily populated.
What I've always wondered about was just how much devastation there was after the battle of Fornost. Fornost can't have been destroyed initially; otherwise the Angmarim wouldn't have been using it. The different versions of what happened suggest that the city had been taken over, with most of the army destroyed; but the population, though reduced, doesn't seem to have been targeted. IOW, although the *army* was eliminated, the general population wasn't. The nobles/rulers were removed, and regular people left alone. It's analogous to 1066--the Normas didn't kill all Saxons, just the guys at the top.
But it's when Earnur & the others come to Fornost that the city seems to be destroyed.
As I've said before, I've always found it interesting that no one ever bothered to help the Northern Dunedain until *after* the last ruling king was eliminated. |
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NancyBrooke
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| Mitasova wrote: | | NancyBrooke wrote: | | There is a plot bunny in there somewhere ... one that has been lurking in my hutch for sometime. Even if Boromir preferred fighting to marraige, or - to put it another way - thought the defense of Gondor more important than getting an heir, having put it that way I can only imagine he would have been made to marry before too very long, if he had survived. |
Well, Denethor himself was hardly a poster child for early marriage so pot, kettle.
In fact I consider this a very strong argument against any kind of arranged marriage in Dunedain cultures (Rohirrim included). That was something that simply wasn't done, even with the dynasty's survival at stake. |
Yeah, D was 46 when he was married, and 48 when B was born (2 years into the marraige). I still wonder what would have happened if B wasn't married by the time he was 45 or so ... in an AU, if everyone was still alive and war not imminent, how strongly would he have been 'encouraged' to make a choice? It may not have been arranged, but it still might not have been a love match.
Well ... whatever ... shoving that bunny back in the hutch until I'm finished with a few others.  But if it tickles anybody else's ankles ...
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