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Alassante
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 8:37 am    Post subject: Dunedain names? Reply with quote

I need a few names for OC Dunedain. I was looking at Old English names but now I am wondering if I should lean towards Gaelic or Celtic or something. What do you think?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 9:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A blatant copy from another thread:
http://www.openscrolls.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2221

There is a certain political stand taken by Dunedain who give their children Elvish names instead of Adunaic names. it shows a willingness to trust, and to some extent, be dependent on the Elves. Given the role of Rivendell in the history of Arthedain, it might have been a fairly common thing.

Also:

In an introduction to Elvish by Jim Allan it says the following:
In the names of the royal houses of Nûmenor, Arnor, and Gondor, there is a repetition of themes, and some repetition of names. Only a few examples show of systematic variation In the nothern line the is Celebrindor son of Celepharn. <snip>
To summarize, it would seem that the Elvish names used by the Dúnedain resemble those of German nomenclature in being composed of two themes, and these themes could be combined into different names. But the German practise of a regular varation on the same themes within a family was only occasionally followed by the royal lines of the north and of Gondor, and by the house of Stewards. Alliteration of names within a family was not followed either. Names were sometimes picked for a reason, as Hyarmendacil "South-victor", Rómendacil "East-victor', Elessar Telcontar 'Elf-stone Strider': but these are all names taken by kings after the have ascended the trone. Arvedui 'Last-King' is a name
bestowed because of the prophecy that he shall be the last King of Arnor. The names of the Stewards and, we are told, of other men and women of the Dúnedain were 'oftebn the names of Elves and Men remembered in the songs and histories of the First Age (as Beren, Húrin) '(III, 406n)

Just one final thing:
I was going through the family trees of the house of men this morning and I noticed for example Halmir -> Haldir (not the marchwarden!) -> Handir -> Brandir

The house of Beör is interesting as well:
Bëor -> Bregor -> Two sons named: Barahir & Bregolas

Bregolas -> Beregund and Baragund
Barahir -> Beren

So you see how Tolkien used the alliteration here.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 9:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wtf Okay now I am more confused. So should I do a variation on a name previously used in Tolkien legends OR use a Germanic name OR just grab a name from a first or second age person? Sorry I'm dense this morning and that flew over my head at the speed of light. Embarassed
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 9:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alassante wrote:
wtf Okay now I am more confused. So should I do a variation on a name previously used in Tolkien legends OR use a Germanic name OR just grab a name from a first or second age person? Sorry I'm dense this morning and that flew over my head at the speed of light. Embarassed


Most of the Dunedain would use Sindarin names (like Arathorn, Aragorn etc), and they would have a 'theme' running through the family, (same example). So you would have similar sounds and elements in the names of children and parents.

One of the main problems I find with that Allen book is that it's actually a collection of essays from a Tolkien linguistic journal or something of the type, and so they can get a bit heavy at times. But that's the gist of it.

If you need a name and fancy a Sindarin one, let me know what you want it to mean, and I shall kick my brain into working.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 10:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tradition says: elven Sindarin names from heroes from the past. There are variations on it, like Beleg (father) can become Bereg (son). I have for example in one of my stories a dunedain ranger (from the North) named Valmir, or Negril or Maldor or Gilorn or... You get the idea. A sindarin name index or dictionary can give you plenty of ideas. If you don't have a wordlist handy, just let me know by PM or e-mail what your character is like and what you want to see a bit in the meaning of a name. Tolkien used the German practise of a regular varation in Sindarin names.

Noble names for kings do carry a certain amount of foreshadowing and as you can see, once they do get the crown, there is a name change. I wouldn't use old English names, unless the lad has Rohirrim blood as well.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 10:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are quite a lot of names in the Silmarillion, it is treasure. But it should be elvish, Sindarin mostly, but it depends on where and when your Dúnedain live. Somehow I could never name a character Feanor, pour guy. *lol* I once made a list with some names, there are a LOT more, though.

Talath Nindalf Ingloron Gilbarad
Tathornen Mablung Halbarad Armegil
Melyanon Malvegil Ellenion Ereinion
Curunil Belegorn Gelion Belegon
Rimlos Falastel Thorondil Thorongil
Glîndil Mauerdil Gilvagor Daeron
Emyndûr Inglor Barahir Halladan
Itarhûn Belecthor Erynbenn Ecthelion
Balduin Beren ldomar Baldur Berengar
Ethelmar Hirthor Cirion Hirvell
Haldor Haldur Elphir Erchirion
Amrothos Imrahil Denethor Haldon
Gethron Tarkil Doron Angrim
Turgon Aegnor Aerandir Herudil
Baragund Arador

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 11:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

... Oh you could just call him Roy Twisted Evil

sorry I couldn't resist Wink

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 11:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SpaceWeavil wrote:
If you need a name and fancy a Sindarin one, let me know what you want it to mean, and I shall kick my brain into working.


That sounds like a plan. I may want to brew up a couple since Laureanna will be spending some time with them. I think it will be rude to call them Dunedain 1, 2, 3, 4, etc. Very Happy


Rhapsody wrote:
Tradition says: elven Sindarin names from heroes from the past.
<snip>
Noble names for kings do carry a certain amount of foreshadowing and as you can see, once they do get the crown, there is a name change. I wouldn't use old English names, unless the lad has Rohirrim blood as well.


Nope - just a regular Dunedain. I didn't know that they used Sindarin names. He's not going to be a king just 'one them rangers' to quote Barliman.

Vilwarin wrote:
There are quite a lot of names in the Silmarillion, it is treasure. But it should be elvish, Sindarin mostly, but it depends on where and when your Dúnedain live. Somehow I could never name a character Feanor, pour guy. *lol* I once made a list with some names, there are a LOT more, though.



Awww a cute young Dunedain Feanor? Or Curufinwe? Come on - who wouldn't want those names? hehe

Thanks for the list and the advice. Between the list, the books, Rhaps advice, and Space's help, I should be able to cook up something good.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 11:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vilwarin wrote:
There are quite a lot of names in the Silmarillion, it is treasure. But it should be elvish, Sindarin mostly, but it depends on where and when your Dúnedain live. Somehow I could never name a character Feanor, pour guy. *lol*

Certainly not in this case; still it might make an interesting story. Like in Far From the Madding Crowd (Thomas Hardy), where a woman names her son Cain:

Quote:
his pore mother, not being a Scripture- read woman, made a mistake at his christening, thinking 'twas Abel killed Cain, and called en Cain, but 'twas too late, for the name could never be got rid of in the parish. 'Tis very unfortunate for the boy."

"It is rather unfortunate."

"Yes. However, we soften it down as much as we can, and call him Cainy."


Just thinkin' ... (in yorkshire, no less)

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 5:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mistressofbucklebury wrote:
... Oh you could just call him Roy Twisted Evil

sorry I couldn't resist Wink


Banana Big Hug Drunk ROFL ROFL Doh!

I found out he has a younger brother, the one with the chin strap on his bright helm with the rainbow colored plume?

Name's Jeffery.

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