[NancyBrooke]

w/ apologies to our friend M. Twain ...

If Thengel was married to Morwen (right?) of Lossarnach, and Theoden was born in Gondor, do we suppose they lived in Lossarnach? Do any of the H.O.M.E. books say anything?

I have a bunny with a twitchy tail ...

We know Thengel was a second son; maybe he thought to have the throne of Lossarnach one day ...

Just trying to figure our how the royal families of Rohan and Gondor fit together ...

I don't know when Thengel becomes King (i.e. when his family leaves Gondor); Theoden and Finduilas are nearly the same age - not that they grew up near one another (though they might have known one another; Theoden becomes King two years before Denethor becomes Steward; Boromir and Theodred are only a year apart in age ...


Any thoughts?

[Saccopelista]

Thengel was actually Fengel's only son and his third child.

And Morwen was not the daughter of the Lord of Lossarnach but of a relative of the Dol Amroth family, who had moved to that part of Gondor from Belfalas.

Imrahil acknowledged his kinship with Éomer;
that is the funny part: Éomer had as much elven blood as his later wife Lothíriel of Dol Amroth.

You find the specifics in the "Unfinished Tales of Númenor and Middle-earth."

[Rhapsody]

[NancyBrooke]

Thanks, Ladies, very helpful.

[ghettoelleth]

Here's a thought, read the whole passage, then read the rest of them ...

Thengel came to Gondor as soon as he reached manhood and served under Turgon. He married Morwen, "a Lady of Gondor akin to Prince Imrahil" *UT* in 2943. She was 17 years his junior.
Morwen gave birth to three children in Gondor, the second, Theoden (the only male of five children), was born in 2948. Thengel was recalled to Rohan in 2953 to ascend the throne as heir to King Fengel, his mean bastardin' daddy.

This is what comes before the other part of the one UT quote.

[SpaceWeavil]

Unfinished Tales and HoME would be so much easier to read if Tolkien (either of them) had actually used the phrase 'mean bastardin' daddy'

G, I'd love to see you do like an abridged version someday, in her own words. That would be so much fun.

But anyway, sorry Nancy, I shall stop faffing about in your topic. Just that struck me as really funny and I felt the need to comment, heh.

SW

[ghettoelleth]

We are Hooked on Silbonics we are ready to try and figure out wtf he was sayin'.


Would it go something like this?

Hurin, Turin, Agustin

Turgon, Fingon, Cabron

Feanor's ugly twin sister, Feacabrona (spanish for ugly bitch)


He made them from this fire called the secret flame. The secret flame is where all souls (fea) come from, Ainur, Elves, Men and all those other races we don't care about cuz they're too short to take to the prom. So, back to Eru (goddish kinda dude) who made the Ainur in the void and that was all there was, nothing else. Then Eru said, 'sing ya bastards', and they did, first individually and then, Eru got them together to put on a show. They sang hella good and Eru was stoked cuz it was perfect. This is song 1. Then, punkass Melkor, (lucifer type) who has been looking for the secret flame and is so so jealous says, "Pffft, I can do so much better," and starts to make his own noise, beautiful and terrible making a storm of the music. Eru Iluvatar (that's his surname, Mr Iluvatar) sat in his chair yawning. Finally, he smiled, stood, raised his left hand and flipped the first bird ever, then said, 'haha, How do you like me now, biotch?'


Then Eru said, yo, dudes, check out what your music did. And he showed them Ea, (Earth-like thingy) And they said,"Oh pleeeeease Eru, can we keep him?" And Eru said, "Oh, aight, but you're in charge of the litter box."


So, now that we've got that straight, Eru takes all the Ainur and holds their hands while they cross the void at the light, and they go down to Arda. And he says, later suckers. They all stand around looking at the nothing. "Heyyyy, this doesn't look ANYTHING like the commercials!" Then they figure out they have to make everything.

They started making all the stuff. Trees, flowers plants lakes, rivers, mountains, Botswana, Krispy Kreme. And Mr Ass Pants, Melkor comes along behind them jackin’ everything all to hell. Spreading his essence everywhere a little at a time until all of Arda is tainted. What Calvin Klein woulda called your ‘Eau d' Melkor’. And the world will always hold the taint of Melkor until the end of time and it will forever cause strife among the Chirrens of Iluvatar (elves men etc) Until the Final Battle (apoxylipses)

[ghettoelleth]

By the way Nancy, I don't think its too far off. If you know your geography...

Gondor, Sao Paolo, LosAngeles, Hanging Gardens of Babylon, Connecticut...

[SpaceWeavil]

[Rhapsody]

Well Space.. I don't know what it is with bunnies today, but they surely tend to stray into the naughty direction.

This didn't help at all...