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NancyBrooke
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 Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2004 8:57 am Post subject: Sindarin, Neo-Sindarin, Quenya Lexicon |
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In various fic I've written, or am writing, I've had occasion to want to use Sindarin words. Now, as we know, the published lexicon is far from complete. So I often resort to Neo-Sindarin, or, words made up from known Sindarin by me or others.
Would anyone find it useful for those of us who employ/invent words from Tolkien languages to post them in this forum as they come around in our writing? Also, if folks have done translations for fun, they could also be posted here.
I thought eventually it might create a broader understanding of Tolkien languages and a repository for work that could be shared and prevent re-inventing the invented.
Please post here if you are interested; and if interest there is we can begin contributing as occasion arises.
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LuthienTinuviel
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| Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2004 9:41 am Post subject: |
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I actually found a site where they translated both via script machine and also live... but for the life of me I can't remember where...
I'll look it up for you and post it here when I find it.
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NancyBrooke
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| Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2004 8:04 am Post subject: Re: Sindarin, Neo-Sindarin, Quenya Lexicon |
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| NancyBrooke wrote: | | Would anyone find it useful for those of us who employ/invent words from Tolkien languages to post them in this forum as they come around in our writing? Also, if folks have done translations for fun, they could also be posted here. |
Ok ... guess not.
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Viv
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| Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2004 10:53 am Post subject: Re: Sindarin, Neo-Sindarin, Quenya Lexicon |
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| NancyBrooke wrote: | | NancyBrooke wrote: | | Would anyone find it useful for those of us who employ/invent words from Tolkien languages to post them in this forum as they come around in our writing? Also, if folks have done translations for fun, they could also be posted here. |
Ok ... guess not. |
lol... well, I thought about posting a "sure, sounds fun" message, but then I started thinking. The one or two times I've used Sindarin in a story, I've totally butchered the professor's pretty language, and I'm sure real linguists squirm when they read those bits (or more likely just stop reading). So I'm hardly in a position to offer advice or guidance; I was hoping someone else would jump right in and start pouring forth the expertise. I'd certainly be attentive and appreciative. |
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NancyBrooke
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| Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2004 3:26 pm Post subject: Re: Sindarin, Neo-Sindarin, Quenya Lexicon |
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| Viv wrote: | | well, I thought about posting a "sure, sounds fun" message ... I was hoping someone else would jump right in and start pouring forth the expertise. I'd certainly be attentive and appreciative. |
I wasn't really talking about expertise - lord knows I have little enough - just sharing work we've already done so others wouldn't have to do it over for themselves, perfect or not, plus maybe some discussion or questions seeking expertise.
For example, for fun (?!?!?) I took a stab at translating the Steward's Oath of office (my sig) and the Rhyme of Lore that Gandalf teaches Pippin - seven stars, seven stones, etc. If anyone wanted those in Sindarin I've already got 'em. Plus a host of names and compound word terms that I wanted for one thing and another in my stories.
I hope nobody would feel shy about contributing because they're not an expert. Only the Professor could be called an expert and I'm not even sure about him.
So I'm counting you as a 'yea' vote - Well, that makes two.
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Elentari
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| Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2004 3:51 pm Post subject: |
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my own two cents:
HELL YEAH!!!!
The given lexicon is very limited (not so voerly so in quenya, but even that is far from complete. I have been trying to find a word for 'obstacle' for about a month and nothing... there is the tapta, that means impeded one, but I'm not entirely certain what it would look like turned into 'impediment.' taptëa? Taptië (noun forming thing, but looks like a plural.... oh bugger. completely useless rambling)? Urgh!)
Most the time we are left to try and find away to turn the known words into something akin to that which we need. if anyone found a way to figure it, I think the contribution might be valid. Not to mention, a little debate would not do any of us any harm. who knows, we might even form a 'group of studies' to discuss those things. At the very least, we will have a little fun. or find some curious ficlets of facts. whatever.
So, I vote Aye.  |
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Viv
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| Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2004 4:40 pm Post subject: |
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In celebration of three whole "aye" replies....
Far as I can tell, "Lavo anim, edhel-dithen" is very rough (sort of has to be, don't it?) Sindarin for "Lick me, elf boy." |
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| Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2004 5:34 pm Post subject: |
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Aye! But I don't know how much help you'll get out of me  I'm pretty darn worthless
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| Viv wrote: | In celebration of three whole "aye" replies....
Far as I can tell, "Lavo anim, edhel-dithen" is very rough (sort of has to be, don't it?) Sindarin for "Lick me, elf boy." |
See, now that could come in handy. 
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| Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2004 10:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Ellbee wrote: | | Viv wrote: | In celebration of three whole "aye" replies....
Far as I can tell, "Lavo anim, edhel-dithen" is very rough (sort of has to be, don't it?) Sindarin for "Lick me, elf boy." |
See, now that could come in handy.
-Ell |
I think that's about all I'd need to learn.  |
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| Quote: | Ellbee wrote:
| Quote: | Viv wrote:
In celebration of three whole "aye" replies....
Far as I can tell, "Lavo anim, edhel-dithen" is very rough (sort of has to be, don't it?) Sindarin for "Lick me, elf boy." |
See, now that could come in handy.
-Ell |
Mmm, I'll have to try that one. *Runs off to find the Leggy muse.*
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Not that I want to sound presumptious  , but after all I'm a language instructor and I cannot help it.
By saying "Lavo anim" you are actually saying "lick myself." The correct pronoun for "me" is "nin". So if you want to say "lick me" you would say "lavo nin."
Hope this helps ... now I'm going to go and hide  .
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Viv
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| Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2004 10:43 am Post subject: |
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| Thuriniel wrote: | Not that I want to sound presumptious , but after all I'm a language instructor and I cannot help it.
By saying "Lavo anim" you are actually saying "lick myself." The correct pronoun for "me" is "nin". So if you want to say "lick me" you would say "lavo nin."
Hope this helps ... now I'm going to go and hide . |
lol... no, this is great! See what I mean about my complete incompetence with the language? Thanks much. If I ever use it in a story, I'll be sure to use it right (tho it'd probably be better if I stuck to English). |
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Andreth
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I'll weigh in an 'aye' on the usefulness of this forum. As long as it's not any gray-company type Elvish, I think it's a great idea. I have the same problem with Elvish that I do with Sumerian/Akkadian - sentence structure - so I'll be very happy to see how others go about working out their translations from that aspect.
BTW, 'lick myself' might be useful, too, depending on the situation.  |
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Elentari
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| Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2004 1:43 pm Post subject: |
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My sentiments exactly. Now, if we ever get ourselves in Middle-earth, we already know what we'd like to say when that impossibly gorgeous elf passes by smilling at you and asking whether there is something you'd like....
Hmmm... Now, does anyone know how to say "undress and get on the bed"?
PS- if anyone can find the girl who made this quote about the silmarillion : 'when elves were elves, and men were wary' please tell me who it was. I cannot find the thread and I've been wishing to use it as my sign for quite a while. Darn poor memory. Now I have yet another thing I envy about the elves....
PS2- Mind if I use the sindarin phrase as my sign in the while? I sooo loved it.... |
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