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Strider



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 8:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

alright, you caought me, I only read the first page of this thread (knonling as Potter fans call it) it seems this thread has gone way off topic in comparison to the page I just read
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 8:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welcome to OSA, Strider - going off topic is practically a spectator sport around here. Laughing

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

well that's re-assuring, I love going off-topic, it's what I do to pass the time always
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 11:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, its also a clinical diagnosis here on the ole OSA ranch. It's called topical tourette's and we treat it with an afternoon of electroshock therapy and a vegimite sandwich, two closely related topics as well.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 5:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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we treat it with an afternoon of electroshock therapy and a vegimite sandwich...

...quickly followed by a warning from the admins that perhaps you may like to remain "on topic".

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 10:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow this topic sure came from the back of the file cabinet. Very Happy

I read through a lot of the pages but I thought I'd pose a question. I want to take a poll on this, heh Rhapsody knows what I'm up to on this, how paranoid does the hair color of elves make you?

I've recently come across someone who is a bit snobbish (possibly purist?) concerning canon hair color. Personally I wouldn't let one slight mention of hair color turn me off to a story since it is a minor detail (unless of course the color is like bright purple) and has been questioned/debated throughout many LOTR forums and communities for years.

I might have opened a can of worms here but oh well... I was a bit curious. Wink

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 11:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I wondered this in the past, and it clearly states that Arwen's hair, like Luthien's is dark.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 7:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

trekqueen wrote:
how paranoid does the hair color of elves make you?

Only a little ... it's all about the why - why are you, the narrator, telling us your character's hair color and what does that say to me as a reader. Physical descriptors, scenery, etc. is all mis-en-scene (is that spelled right? it's been ages since that film class), i.e. it tells part of the story.

One of the pitfalls and benefits of fanfiction is that our characters are mosly already described for us, so as writers highlighting (heh) what's already known must have a particular purpose. If your OFC's hair color is purple, it says to me you're not dealing in reality so *click*. If you insist on pointing out that Boromir's hair color is blond, than we're clearly in movieverse, which has its own series of expectations. But even when there is no canon, as with Legolas, if I read a story where he has golden blond hair the color of the morning sun on midsummer's day, it tells me you've gone over the deep end with Orli worship and guess what, *click*

Now, the OFC I'm writing with currently has hair with a reddish cast, the point being that, in Minas Tirith, she's an eye-catching rarity, and may have come (genetically) from the far south and is therefore suspect.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 8:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm pretty much a hard core purest, but at the same time, I think that most people aren't aware of a lot of what's available in canon.

If there is a change from canon, I like to see it made for a specific reason, otherwise, it looks like a lazy or sloppy error on the author's part.

I consider that following, or purposefully twisting, canon is part of 'the game' of fanfic.

if you don't want to follow canon - why are you here? I don't mean that insultingly - ...but the reason I write fanfiction is because I *love* being immersed in Tolkien's world. and by that logic, it doesn't make sense to change things arbitrarily.

using the example above. Arwen's hair is stated to be dark, unless it's a key plot point that she's blond, why change it? IMO, it makes the author look like they haven't done their homework. I don't judge authors along those lines, but I probably won't read the story simply because the immersion in canon is the main reason I read fanfic and those kinds of details pop me out of my 'readers trance' and out of the story the same way in reading historical fiction, I expect the known facts to be correct and anachronisms will throw me out of the story.

At the same time, I love playing in the undercurrents. Anyone who's read my novel length fic knows it features a threesome and I'll argue to my last breath that it's completely canon, based on LaCE and information in the HoME regarding the Marring of Arda. The Valar were greatly disturbed that two sometimes desired one. I wondered what would mar one enough to want or need or be able to accept the love of two and I'm pretty pleased with what I came up with.

Many times I see stuff in the AU cate, that I wonder why it's there because the canon actually does contain a LOT of good stuff. Time travel, reincarnation, genetic engineering. airplanes, guns and battleships in Numenor - read read read LOL!!! You'd really be hard pressed to find something that the Good Proff didn't give us and so when I read something changed or 'made up' that departs from canon, I often wonder why the author didn't do the research needed to do the story 'right'. I know my prejudice is showing, and I don't do it intentionally to make enemies - but ... it seemed to fit the thread.

The AUs that I do enjoy are a specific departure from canon that hinges the plot conflict or resolution. Again, it's, IMO, the reason for writing fanfic. Otherwise, write original. Smile

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 11:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NancyBrooke wrote:
trekqueen wrote:
how paranoid does the hair color of elves make you?

Only a little ... it's all about the why - why are you, the narrator, telling us your character's hair color and what does that say to me as a reader. Physical descriptors, scenery, etc. is all mis-en-scene (is that spelled right? it's been ages since that film class), i.e. it tells part of the story.

One of the pitfalls and benefits of fanfiction is that our characters are mosly already described for us, so as writers highlighting (heh) what's already known must have a particular purpose. If your OFC's hair color is purple, it says to me you're not dealing in reality so *click*.


In the case I recently had, the mentioning of the hair color was meant to compare Fingolfin's appearance to similarity of his silver and gold clad armor and such to that of the now lost Two Trees of Valinor while at the same time comparing light vs dark to Morgoth as he faces him in battle in hand to hand combat.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 11:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NancyBrooke wrote:
Physical descriptors, scenery, etc. is all mis-en-scene (is that spelled right? it's been ages since that film class)


You're the queen with the red pen! Of course you got it right!

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 10:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paranoid? not so much but a blonde Noldor would be as unusual as a raven haired Vanyar, and a silver headed elf had better be able to trace their lineage to Elwe.

For me it gives an indication of race. Blonde: probably of Vanyar descent; Black: Noldor; and Brown: Sindar. Furthermore, I would assume a Silver or fair headed Sindar would be a relative of Elwe and of noble descent. Also, if the elf in question was a redhead, some relation to Nerdanel could be inferred.

The Prof went to some lengths about hair color and IMHO is just polite to do the same. That's all I'm saying.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 3:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

inglor wrote:
Paranoid? not so much but a blonde Noldor would be as unusual as a raven haired Vanyar, and a silver headed elf had better be able to trace their lineage to Elwe.

For me it gives an indication of race. Blonde: probably of Vanyar descent; Black: Noldor; and Brown: Sindar. Furthermore, I would assume a Silver or fair headed Sindar would be a relative of Elwe and of noble descent. Also, if the elf in question was a redhead, some relation to Nerdanel could be inferred.

The Prof went to some lengths about hair color and IMHO is just polite to do the same. That's all I'm saying.


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