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ArwenUndomiel



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 7:54 pm    Post subject: General facts about Legolas Reply with quote

Hey all,

I am trying to write a story about Legolas, and I want to make sure I get my facts right.

Firstly, does anybody know exactly how old he is? I have found a few different sources, and they all differ. Also, does he have any siblings? And is his mother still alive? I have never heard her mentioned.

Any other facts about Legolas that I could work into my story would also be appreciated. And even if I can't put them in my story, I still want to know! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 12:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The answer to all your questions is: The Prof Never Said.

We are not even sure exactly what color hair he had.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 12:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wikipedia offers a decent article to start with. You might also find some useful information if you go through old threads in the forum.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legolas
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 3:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, thanks. I'll check the wikipedia link, hopefully I'll find something.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 5:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ever heard of Wikiality? Wink

The professor never mentioned Legolas hair colour, it can be blonde, dark, red...

This might come close to something:

"Frodo looked up at the Elf standing tall above him, as he gazed into the night, seeking a mark to shoot at. His head was dark, crowned with sharp white stars that glittered in the black pools of the sky behind." The great river, Lord of the rings: The Fellowship of the ring

Sons don't necessarily have to inherit their father's hair colour.

Neither is a mother or siblings mentioned, all Tolkien said was that Legolas was Thrandruil's son and did not say sons.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 11:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We can only make guesses about Legolas' age. I know I tried to find info. Found a bio of him, but I am not sure about the acuracy of it. (Spelling, not my strong point) Laughing It doesn't mention anything about family, other than his father. Some people take this to mean that Legolas is an only child and that his mother is either dead or in the Grey Havens. No mention of him having a wife and kids either. So you are pretty much free to make him have siblings and a mother. Hair color is uncertain either. And no matter how many times I search the book, I can't find a description that tell us more than he was handsome. Handsome can mean so many things. But I am guessing that because of the time period that this is set in, he was a blonde. Fair people were usually blonde with blue eyes because this was rare. And I'd guess he's about 2,000 years old because he speaks of his youth like it was ages ago. Laughing If he says that the old forest make him feel young again, he couldn't be more than 2 milenia old. But hey, make him as old or as young as you want. You can make him 50, 500 or even 5,000. Just kidding on the 5,000. That would be too old.
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NierielRaina



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 10:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

While much of the advice on this forum so far is true...I HIGHLY recommend that you read this article... http://www.istad.org/tolkien/legolas.html

There is much Tolkien did NOT say...but there is much he did and with a little deductive reasoning you can figure some of it out.

Tolkien says nothing about Legolas mother...but she wasn't part of the story...it would have been understood that she was at home doing needlework or such as was expected of elven women at that time (Arwen spent much time doing needle work) Remember Tolkien was very conservative and believed in traditional roles of men and women. He also told of the fate of Elrond's wife...I would assume if similar had affected Thranduil's wife he would have mentioned it...though maybe not.

Now, as to siblings and whether Legolas was married or not...I will quote from LACE (laws and customs of the eldar from Morgoth's ring volume 10 of the history of ME)

'The eldar wedded for the most part in their youth and soon after their fiftieth year. They had few children, but these were very dear to them. their families or houses, were held together by love and a deep feeling for kinship in mind and body and the children needed little governing or teaching. There were seldom more than four children in any house, and the number grew less as the ages passed; but even in days of old, while the Eldar were still few and eager to increase their kind, Feanor was renowned as the father of seven sons, and the histories still record none that surpass him.

The Eldar wedded once only in life, and for love or at the least by free will upon either part. Even when in after days, as the histories reveal, many of the Eldar in Middle-earth became corrupted, and their hearts darkened by the shadow that lies upon Arda, seldom is any tale told of deeds of lust among them.

Marriage, save for rare ill chances or strange fates, was the natural course of life for all the Eldar...."

So it is very possible Legolas had siblings, though not many...it's also not only possible, but very PROBABLE that he was MARRIED!!! Arwen is one that the prof pointed out had a strange fate...as she did not marry at the usual time of life and married a mortal. There are only 3 such couplings in the history of middle earth...and Legolas was not one of them *Grin*

Here are some other sites i would suggest you check out...
http://www.ansereg.com/what_tolkien_officially_said_abo.htm
http://www.istad.org/tolkien/legolas.html
http://www.tuckborough.net/legolas.html

Hope that helps! just remember a lot of stuff out there if FANON...not canon! *grin*
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 3:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NierielRaina wrote:
Arwen is one that the prof pointed out had a strange fate...as she did not marry at the usual time of life and married a mortal.


Well I think the Quenta Silmarillion is full of elves with unusual fates, no needleworking female elves or unmarried elves. Smile For example Aegnor did not wanted to marry or profess his love as long as there was war or evil in the world. The same could have happened with Legolas, so I would be careful with statements that he was married, had kids ect ect. If the Prof didn't write it or stated it, then that is the case.

LACE is Laws and Customs Among the Eldar, which is an intriguing title itself because it doesn't necessarily has to apply to all. Christopher writes in the very same work:
There is a reference to the Elves who linger in Middle-earth 'in these after-days' (p. 223); on the other hand the writer speaks as if the customs of the Noldor were present and observable ('Among the Noldor it may be seen that the making of bread is done mostly by women', p. 214) - though this cannot be pressed.

It also says, by the Professor himself:
Nonetheless among the Eldar, even in Aman, the desire for marriage was not always fulfilled. Love was not always returned; and more than one might desire one other for spouse.
Concerning this, the only cause by which sorrow entered the bliss of Aman, the Valar were in doubt. Some held that it came from the marring of Arda, and from the Shadow under which the Eldar awoke; for thence only (they said) comes grief or disorder. Some held that it came of love itself, and of the freedom of each fea, and was a mystery of the nature of the Children of Eru.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 2:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Notice i didn't say WAS married...but very probable Bounce ...I would never make a definite statement when Tolkien himself did not specify...However, I'm quite aware that not all elves married but when it says in short that marriage was pretty much the norm for elves, I think you should put some stock in that too. Laughing

I get tired of it being assumed Legolas was single simply because there is no mention of a wife. Thranduil's wife is never mentioned either...she just wasn't important to the story... it irks me because if you dare say Legolas MIGHT have been married, Yikes! OMG that's NOT canon! - sorry...i think it could go either way...it's the same as those who assume Legolas was young for an elf (and I am in this camp) but he could very well have been born in the first age as no date is given for his birth and we have dates for every other member of the Fellowship... bendy

I was only trying to point out that we don't KNOW a lot about Legolas and to try to help people see there are other possibilities than the widely accepted fanon...Technically, he would NOT have had the title of PRINCE either as princes were rulers under a king NOT sons of the king, yet that is widely accepted too (and I admit I use it as well Shocked )

Ok oK...I'm getting all in a huff over something stupid...sorry...I'll get off my soapbox now...I just think people should consider that he COULD have been married and it could still be considered canon...I was also trying to point out that elves did not have many children...
I think those sites I listed are much better than I to give the facts anyway...

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 3:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In canon there is so much room to write than to blindly follow fanon and to follow 'standards' that stand so far off Tolkiens world, words & intentions. But I prefer to take a canon fact and write a story around it. Each to their own I guess.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 5:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NierielRaina wrote:
Thranduil's wife is never mentioned


There is one scene in The Hobbit where the absence of the Elvenqueen is notable -- Where Thranduil is seen seated at the head of a long line of revelers, with no queen at his side. Now, she might have just been washing her hair that night or decided not to attend the feast, but I always felt it indicated she was no longer around.

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Technically, he would NOT have had the title of PRINCE either as princes were rulers under a king NOT sons of the king, yet that is widely accepted too (and I admit I use it as well Shocked )


Maybe, maybe not. There were several instances in the books where the title of prince was used for someone not a ruler of his own land (Celeborn, Prince of Doriath) and three of them concerned a child:

"Here's a pretty hobbit-skin to wrap an elven princeling in!" Aragorn, FOTR, Lothlorien

He put on Bilbo a small coat of mail, wrought for some young elf-prince long ago. The Hobbit, 'Not At Home'

"Bilbo Baggins!" he said. "You are more worthy to wear the armor of elf-princes than many that have looked more comely in it." Thranduil, The Hobbit, 'A Thief in the Night'

From where that armor turned up, I think there's a good chance it once belonged to either Thranduil or Legolas -- maybe both. But that's beside the point -- it's occasions of JRRT himself using the term 'prince' to describe the child of a ruler.

Legolas never refers to himself as a prince in the books. But I think it's quite canonical to assume he was granted that courtesy title within Adar's realm. Smile

You're right, though. Legolas could well have been married. We simply don't know.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 8:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jael wrote:

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There is one scene in The Hobbit where the absence of the Elvenqueen is notable -- Where Thranduil is seen seated at the head of a long line of revelers, with no queen at his side.


That's a very interesting observation!

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From where that armor turned up, I think there's a good chance it once belonged to either Thranduil or Legolas


Or both. And that's a great idea for a story Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 11:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ningloreth wrote:
Jael wrote:

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There is one scene in The Hobbit where the absence of the Elvenqueen is notable -- Where Thranduil is seen seated at the head of a long line of revelers, with no queen at his side.


That's a very interesting observation!


Yes. Enough so that I wondered when I saw fanfics with Legolas's mother still living. However, there really is no canon on the subject.

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From where that armor turned up, I think there's a good chance it once belonged to either Thranduil or Legolas


Or both. And that's a great idea for a story Very Happy


I already did. 'To Wrap An Elven Princeling.' Wink

To my chagrin, I discovered that several people had already had the same idea. Most notable is Ellen Brundige in her excellent Legolas essays.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 6:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jael wrote:

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Yes. Enough so that I wondered when I saw fanfics with Legolas's mother still living. However, there really is no canon on the subject.


Stories of Legolas' mother never feel quite right to me, either, but I made Thranduil a single parent because I thought it would make his relationship with Legolas more interesting.

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I already did. 'To Wrap An Elven Princeling.'


Of course! I hadn't made the connection Confused

(I hope you wouldn't mind if I used the idea too at some point, in my series of toddler Legolas stories. It would be quite different and Legolas would be considerably younger. I would credit your idea).
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