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Pechethu



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 10:02 pm    Post subject: Names. And AUs. The banes of my exisitence. Reply with quote

Ugh. I have a plot bunny that just won't let go. What if Aragorn had been born female?

I've actually got ideas stirring now for Munchkin!Female!Aragorn stories, but I need a name. Aragorn is just too masculine. He/She/It'll still be called Estel in Rivendell, but I need a name for him/her/it.

Any suggestions would be great as I have nil as of right now!

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ooh, tough one. I don't know why I'm respoding really, as I can't come up with anything more productive as yet than 'Aragorness' or 'Aragornetta'. And no, those weren't suggestions. If I see them appearing in your story I will be worried for your sanity.

When I'm stuck for names, I have a little procedure that often helps. I grab my 'baby names' dictionary which my parents bought when they were trying to name me, and flick through for any exotic, uncommon names that catch my eye. When I find an interesting one, I either take it as is, or play around with it. You should try it. I really do find it inspiring myself.

Anyway, good luck!
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 9:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ArwenUndomiel wrote:
Ooh, tough one. I don't know why I'm respoding really, as I can't come up with anything more productive as yet than 'Aragorness' or 'Aragornetta'. And no, those weren't suggestions.

You forgot one! What about "Aragornina"? You could try an Elvish dictionary site such as Arwenundomiel.com. They have female elven names.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 3:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

*snigger*

The thing is, I'm trying to stick with Elvish-esque naming traditions. Which means that Fem!Aragorn has to have a name relating to Arathorn's. I'm rootin' around for good name sites, as A-U.com has had bad things said about it's Elvish name section. Neutral

Thanks for the laugh and suggestion, though!

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pechethu wrote:
*snigger*

The thing is, I'm trying to stick with Elvish-esque naming traditions. Which means that Fem!Aragorn has to have a name relating to Arathorn's.

Do female elves have to have names relating to their father's? Is Arathorn an elvish name?

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NancyBrooke wrote:
Pechethu wrote:
*snigger*

The thing is, I'm trying to stick with Elvish-esque naming traditions. Which means that Fem!Aragorn has to have a name relating to Arathorn's.

Do female elves have to have names relating to their father's? Is Arathorn an elvish name?


isn't 'Ara' "noble" somthing? I don't know about -gorn.

maybe Arariel ... would that be 'noble maiden'?

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 11:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How about using a name generator? Smile Or if you like the name Ara, you can use it. There is also Ielenia. I found that name in a book for D&D that I sometimes play. If not, there's always the beloved baby books and websites that have these really neat names in them. If you want really exotic, try Althea. I really like that one too. Wink Wink Just go with whatever feels right to you.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 9:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NancyBrooke wrote:
Pechethu wrote:
*snigger*

The thing is, I'm trying to stick with Elvish-esque naming traditions. Which means that Fem!Aragorn has to have a name relating to Arathorn's.

Do female elves have to have names relating to their father's? Is Arathorn an elvish name?


Yeah. Arathorn is Sindarin. And I think female elves would have at least a father-name, even if they don't go by it.

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isn't 'Ara' "noble" somthing? I don't know about -gorn.

maybe Arariel ... would that be 'noble maiden'?


Aragorn means Noble Tree or Lord of the Tree in elvish and I think Arathorn means pretty much the same.

So far, I've got Galadheth. It might work, but it seems like there's too many "th"s.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 10:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pechethu wrote:
NancyBrooke wrote:
Pechethu wrote:
*snigger*

The thing is, I'm trying to stick with Elvish-esque naming traditions. Which means that Fem!Aragorn has to have a name relating to Arathorn's.

Do female elves have to have names relating to their father's? Is Arathorn an elvish name?


Yeah. Arathorn is Sindarin. And I think female elves would have at least a father-name, even if they don't go by it.

Sulriel wrote:


isn't 'Ara' "noble" somthing? I don't know about -gorn.

maybe Arariel ... would that be 'noble maiden'?


Aragorn means Noble Tree or Lord of the Tree in elvish and I think Arathorn means pretty much the same.


Arathorn means eagle lord. Well Eagles can reside in trees. Hmm

adaneth is quite standard in Sindarin to describe a mortal woman. Hence the eth's (adan is singular from edain, so the eth is used to say it's a lady). So if you want the woman to have something in common with her sire, I would suggest to do something with eagles instead of trees. So you would end up with something like Thoroneth or Thôrneth. But I am not certain if that is the right way to combine words so don't pin me down on that. Good luck!

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 11:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have to correct you with the meaning of Aragorn: Tolkien said that the element 'orn' = tree is not in the name Aragorn. 'Gorn' means valour, so his name would mean kingly valour.

As for the question of a name: I think any female would do. On the other hand, there is this. Would Arathorn add the element 'ar'/'ara' to her name, or not? He would expect to produce a son some time later, but it would show her noble ancestry. I would then propose a name like Ariel, meaning king's daughter.

Speaking of the story idea: Have you heard of Henneth Annun Story Archive? There is a chellenge called: "My lord Arathorn, it's a girl."

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 8:54 am    Post subject: Re: Names. And AUs. The banes of my exisitence. Reply with quote

Pechethu wrote:
Ugh. I have a plot bunny that just won't let go. What if Aragorn had been born female?

I've actually got ideas stirring now for Munchkin!Female!Aragorn stories, but I need a name. Aragorn is just too masculine. He/She/It'll still be called Estel in Rivendell, but I need a name for him/her/it.

Any suggestions would be great as I have nil as of right now!
Ara? Arya? Does anyone remember aragorns moms name? i was thinkin' that maybe something related to her....I dunno....
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 9:06 am    Post subject: Re: Names. And AUs. The banes of my exisitence. Reply with quote

Dragontamer77 wrote:
Pechethu wrote:
Ugh. I have a plot bunny that just won't let go. What if Aragorn had been born female?

I've actually got ideas stirring now for Munchkin!Female!Aragorn stories, but I need a name. Aragorn is just too masculine. He/She/It'll still be called Estel in Rivendell, but I need a name for him/her/it.

Any suggestions would be great as I have nil as of right now!
Ara? Arya? Does anyone remember aragorns moms name? i was thinkin' that maybe something related to her....I dunno....


Gilraen. One of my current stories is featuring the happy couple.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 1:37 pm    Post subject: Right Reply with quote

Gilraen.
got it.
The hobbits names are sort of modeled after each other(like Frodo and Drogo)...so maybe something after her mother.
Because Aragorn is sorta like Arathorn ya know?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 1:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wait ... how did Hobbits enter into it? Maybe I don't want to know ... I wouldn't
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 4:53 am    Post subject: Re: Right Reply with quote

Dragontamer77 wrote:
Gilraen.
got it.
The hobbits names are sort of modeled after each other(like Frodo and Drogo)...so maybe something after her mother.
Because Aragorn is sorta like Arathorn ya know?


Hm, the only reason why Aragorn's and Arathorn's names are similar is because they both bear the element 'ara' from 'aran'=king, which is custom to show their legitimacy as heirs to the throne. This goes WAY back till Argeleb, which makes two dozen generations before Aragorn.

Now we all know that a Númenorean princess could inherit the throne, so would we find such an element in her name? I do not know, it is all interpretation and you might as well use any name you like.

After her mother? I do not know. I would rather not, for if you do not pay attenntion, it could easily seem forced, and it should be - especially when you are naming a high princess - a pure and correct Sindarin name.

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