[trekqueen]

[NeumeIndil]

I'll add a "Yucchh" to the "no animal and human" pile. The only reason Aslan should have for pouncing on Susan is to save her from an arrow.

[Rhapsody]

[vladazhael]

[RJLCyberPunk]

[dolarabee]

This archive will not archive slash. Whether the relationship is established in canon or not is irrelevant.

We are not going to change the rules now.

You can certainly write about a gay character but leave his/her sexual encounters out if you want the story archived here. You can mention, inpassing, that she or he is with whoever, but any gesture portraying their love for each other physically should at the most only be glanced at. And yes, that means the briefest kiss. If it's time for your character to meet his same-sex lover then mention that and end the scene there. Pick up at a later point in time. Focus on something else than the gay relationship. If you feel you can't do that, which is fine and understandable, go for it but post it somewhere else.

Hope this clarifies things.

do.

P.S. Thank you for giving us your thoughts on the age/sex issue. Keep them coming. We haven't made our minds up yet.

[JadwigaArda]

I think in the case of historical films/books we must bow to the society and its regulations at the time. As other posters have stated marriages did occur at, what many of us would consider, very young ages. 12, 15 ... even nine.

So, if the pairing is based on such a relationship then this will have to acknowledged. However, this doesn't mean you have to permit stories where the parciptants (sp?) have sex when one (or both) are underage. Brief allusions maybe, but perhaps state otherwise any sex should take place when neither are underage?

But what is underage is the argument. This definition is different in every country - in Britain, for example, it is 16.

Sooo, in the case of the HP characters: if any of them had sex under 16 they would (and so would their lover/husband/wife) be breaking the law.

This is fact, unless the wizarding books say otherwise. In JK's world a wizard and witch come of age at 17, so you could use this as the absolute.

Are you looking for an overall age limit for the new archives? Or would it differ depending on circumstances? Such as in the case of Rome?

For HP I suggest 16 or 17 considering that is the law in Britain and in JK's books. Nevertheless, I strongly think that any writer should warn the readers of the age of their characters if sex is to occur so that those who disagree with the age status do not read distasteful material in their opinion.

Other than that, 18 is the only way to be cetain that most readers/writers are happy!

Glad that Snape/Hermione is not allowed - that pairing makes me shiver.

Hope I've been of some help.

[NancyBrooke]

[JadwigaArda]

[Sulriel]

I have a lot of faith in the admins here, (throwing chocolates and roses just in case they missed that as kissing up ) I feel like they do a good job maintaining the atmosphere and quality and know they're letting themselves in for an awful lot more work.

but acknowledging that someone was married, or even had a child at age 12 or 14 isn't the same as showing that scene on-stage. - even if/especially if it's not normal in that society, it's a great source of conflict, but still can be referred to without going into detail. I'm not sure how to word that in the guidelines except to end with a line that "admin's decision will be final."

like was said about the slash. It's possible to have same s*x couples in stories here as long as (*paraphrasing*) it is handled correctly.

[NeumeIndil]

I found This Page while researching a play about paedophilia a few years ago. It might be of assistance regarding the average age of consent if/when such information is necessary.

That said, I'm in favor of one minimum age across the board at which sexual activity may be described in detail, regardless of fandom and with a "read at your own risk" disclaimer/warning. I think that will be easier to regulate than picking and choosing which fandoms can and can't write about "children" having intercourse. Yes it might create difficulties for some, but it's going to be a struggle to balance common sense, canon and the creative spirit as it is. Something (or some things as the case may be) are going to have to be regulated a little more strictly than some would like. It's just the nature of compromise.

[AngmarsElfhild]

Now, I don't really keep up with any other fandoms except Tolkien, but here are some of my thoughts. Please don't flame me...

In If a fandom is set in a historical or historic fantasy setting, I would say that history should be adhered to as much as possible. In ancient and medieval times, girls and boys often married at very young ages, for they were considered adults. People didn't live as long back then. In places of the world, these customs are still adhered to.

HOWEVER, in the realm of fanfiction, sometimes writers are writing about their secret sexual fantasies. It is far easier to get a story published on a webpage than it is in a printed form. I think what we have to consider here is "fetish fic." There is a difference between people who are trying to write about history and people who are indulging their kinky fetishes. This is sort of a gray area, though, and very hard to police. Who is trying to write historical fiction about a young married couple in ancient times and who is exploring their pedophiliac fantasies? Maybe more restrictions should be put on PWP's and sex epics.

I would say that since Harry Potter is a children's book, there should be no adult stories set in this realm, especially not with children! With children's books, I would be hesitant to allow any adult stories.

I also say no bestiality, whatsoever! It can be mentioned or alluded to (as in an insulting joke or the description of a very unsavory character), but no actual scene.

Here are some sites with historical marriage ages...

Medieval/Renaissance
This site talks about marriage age in medieval times. The girls were often as young as 12; boys as young as 17. In the Renaissance, the boys got married at 14.
http://www.bharatbhasha.com/marriage.php/20178

Marriage in Ancient Rome
"While upper class girls married very young, there is evidence that lower class women - plebeians, freedwomen etc - often married in their late teens or early twenties. Marriage for them was not about economic and political gain in the cut throat world of Roman politics, so it was not as urgent."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Roman_marriage
http://victorian.fortunecity.com/lion/373/roman/romarriage.html

Marriage in Ancient Greece
"The average age difference between husband and wife was fifteen years. Hesoid's advice was that "A man should marry at about thirty, choosing for his wife, a girl of sixteen" (quoted in Flacelière 59). Although there were no formal laws governing a specific age to marry, Flacelière (59) also mentioned that girls could marry as soon as puberty hit."
http://www.richeast.org/htwm/Greeks/marriage/marriage.html

Marriage in Ancient Egypt
"A bride would be young, about 14 or 15 years old. Her husband could be anywhere from 17 to 20—or older if he was divorced or a widower. The ancient Egyptians were encouraged to marry young, considering that the life span at this time was relatively short."
http://www.kingtutshop.com/freeinfo/Marrage-in-Ancient-Egypt.htm

[snoewhite]

In my humble opinion why not just open it up for crossovers keep it mainly lotr. However this is a buzz about a similar movie this christmas season call Erestor. I've seen some print on it and I hope it's going to be really good. But right now if I want to write other fiction I just go to another site. I prefer to keep the site like it is and just make another archive for Crossovers and other topics.

(Although I did run into a guy that could have been Legolas today. He was a white-haired blonde with the BLUEST eyes I have ever seen. He also was wearing the body fitting shirt and jeans that would have made you cry. Who says volunteer work doesn't pay! )

Just throwing my 2 cents in.
Snowy

[snoewhite]

Now i have to agree about the beastiality thing. EWW. I'm not reading about animals and such. There are fetish sites out there if you want to see that but what I like about this site is the inherent goodness of the characters. They (in canon) believed that the needs of the many outweighed the needs of the few. Now with that said I don't like having slash and fetish on this site. Crossovers are one thing but the slash and fetish to me is totally warping the whole concept of Tolkien and his work and I personally believe that belongs in another site. Smut is okay but when it gets too scary then I just won't read it and I really like that there are descriptions. With the talent pool on this site we have no need to dabble in the stranger genre's. Of course if that is the majority rule just make a separate heading/archive and I'll know where I need to go.

[Cressida]

I'm a little anxious about what this is going to mean for those of us who write only LOTR and come here primarily looking for that too. Is everything going to be all jumbled together a la FF.net? How hard will it be to sort out the LOTR stuff?