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NancyBrooke Challenge Admin
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Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 11:16 pm Post subject: Battle signals! |
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Other than 'retreat,' 'surrender' and 'advance', what is there?
Specifically, I'm trying to imagine what a defender might signal to his commander if there's been a defensive breach. Or, to put it another way, what's the proper horn call for - We're screwed!! Come quick!!!
Any serious suggestions, and wacko commentary welcome. _________________ NB Duchess of WHY TF Cant'chu Punctuate, First Duchess of F*&(ing &*ll yur comma placement sux!
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inglor

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Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 11:45 pm Post subject: |
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Other than the "Charge" the only other I can think of was the horn sounding for "recall" which was used to call off an attack. I looked up bugle calls and couldn't find anything specific for what you have in mind but here is the site: http://www.music.vt.edu/musicdictionary/appendix/buglecalls/Buglecalls.html
Might not be what you are looking for but you will have a little more knowledge after you click it...
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Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 9:19 am Post subject: |
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Run? LOL
You might try Elliska. She does re-enactments of battles I think or she did. She might have a good one better than 'Haul ass'. _________________ Nagzul #2 - The Nazgul of Shmoove
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NancyBrooke Challenge Admin
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Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 11:42 am Post subject: |
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Thanks, All: I've e-mailed Elliska and Inglor, you and that site gave me some helpful vocab which broadened my search. Still not sure what to use, but I think I'm on a better trail.
Rally? Alarm? Orc? _________________ NB Duchess of WHY TF Cant'chu Punctuate, First Duchess of F*&(ing &*ll yur comma placement sux!
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Haleth

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Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 1:01 pm Post subject: |
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According to my high school music teacher, the buglers used to have a fairly large repetoire of signals beyond revely and taps. There was a particular call for fire. One night a military musician was forced to use it in lieu of a fire alarm. Fortunately, there were enough older soldiers in the area at the time who still recognized it and brought everyone else. _________________ Books would not be read, and pipes would not smoke. The day slipped out of his hand, running aimlessly to waste. JRR Tolkien. The Lost Road |
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dolarabee Site Admin

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Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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| NancyBrooke wrote: | | Rally? Alarm? Orc? |
'Oh shit'? Sorry, Nancy. I have no idea.
do. _________________ Je sais de la vie qu'elle se termine souvent au lit,
Et que d'autres ont bien plus de chance trépassent de rire ou de jouissance,
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NancyBrooke Challenge Admin
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Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 5:18 pm Post subject: |
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| dolarabee wrote: | | NancyBrooke wrote: | | Rally? Alarm? Orc? |
'Oh shit'? Sorry, Nancy. I have no idea. |
That's certainly the subtext!  _________________ NB Duchess of WHY TF Cant'chu Punctuate, First Duchess of F*&(ing &*ll yur comma placement sux!
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Rhapsody

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Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 6:39 pm Post subject: |
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I think that solely depends on which battle you are describing. For example you have drummer boys who would tap all the commands for their part of the army, because hollering that you have a breach in your defence is only in favour of the opposite army. Is it a Gondor war? I think they would have a repertoire on the horn, given that seems to be used often.
What I know of my own original fic research (medieval battle warfare) is that men would follow the banner where ever it went (that was quite crucial) and that the herald, close to the man who led them into battle issued commands. I haven't asked yet if they used instruments, but I can ask. _________________ I have not lost my mind - it's backed up on disk somewhere...
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NancyBrooke Challenge Admin
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Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 7:59 am Post subject: |
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| Rhapsody wrote: | | I think that solely depends on which battle you are describing ... Is it a Gondor war? I think they would have a repertoire on the horn, given that seems to be used often. | Yes, it's Gondor; I was assuming horns, too.
This isn't about the Commander giving orders, it's about the Commander receiving information from a Captain located some distance away to the effect of 'it's me, they've broken through, send reinforcements (or we're screwed).'
I guess, to be specific, I'm looking for the appropriate equivalents for "breach" and "aid."
Any thoughts welcome. _________________ NB Duchess of WHY TF Cant'chu Punctuate, First Duchess of F*&(ing &*ll yur comma placement sux!
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Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 9:24 am Post subject: |
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In the words of Bruce Willis
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dolarabee Site Admin

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Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 9:27 am Post subject: |
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| Alassante wrote: | | 'Cowboy the f*ck up!' |
do. _________________ Je sais de la vie qu'elle se termine souvent au lit,
Et que d'autres ont bien plus de chance trépassent de rire ou de jouissance,
Mais pire que la mort qui vient c'est l'amour qui ne vient jamais.
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NancyBrooke Challenge Admin
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Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 9:37 am Post subject: |
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| Alassante wrote: | | 'Cowboy the f*ck up!' |
Hmmmm ... translate that into Sindarin and we may have something! Yippee Ki-Yay ...
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NancyBrooke Challenge Admin
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Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 9:38 am Post subject: |
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| NancyBrooke wrote: | | Rhapsody wrote: | | Is it a Gondor war? I think they would have a repertoire on the horn, given that seems to be used often. | Yes, it's Gondor; I was assuming horns, too. |
Come to think of it ... when it's Gondor, I'm always assuming horns  _________________ NB Duchess of WHY TF Cant'chu Punctuate, First Duchess of F*&(ing &*ll yur comma placement sux!
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Alassante Virtual Village Mod

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Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 9:41 am Post subject: |
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| NancyBrooke wrote: |
Come to think of it ... when it's Gondor, I'm always assuming horns  |
Spit warning needed.  _________________ Nagzul #2 - The Nazgul of Shmoove
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Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 9:42 am Post subject: |
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| Alassante wrote: | | NancyBrooke wrote: |
Come to think of it ... when it's Gondor, I'm always assuming horns  |
Spit warning needed.  |
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