[NancyBrooke]

I know it's generally taken that Merry marries Estella Bolger but where is it written? And is she Fredegar (Fatty's) sister?

Help?

N

[BittenBuggy]

Nancy, I honestly have no idea if it's 'written' anywhere. I haven't seen much material on hobbits in general except in the appendix of the RotK. In the appendix, it has Merry's family tree listed and he is married to Estella Bolger, but it doesn't talk about children or anything.

Pippin though marries Diamond of Long Cleeve and has Faramir I, who later goes on to marry Sam's daughter Goldilocks. That is probably why it mentions any of Pip's kids in the first place. Estella probably just wasn't very important.

[NancyBrooke]

See, now, I don't even find it in the family trees ... Where Merry shows up in both the Took and Brandybuck lines there's no spouse and no children in my book.

Help, Help!

[BittenBuggy]

Well, I'm working out of the red leather-bound collectors edition, but I don't know why that would make any difference. The refference page for the Brandybuck family tree is on page 382 in the bottom left-hand corner.

Also, the Encyclopedia of Arda has Estella listed as Merry's wife, and I have found that site to be very acurate for the most part.

[Andreth]

Hey Nancy,

This is scanned from Peoples of Middle-earth pg 117.

"On one of his copies of the First Edition he added to the geneaology of the Tooks (Fredegar's mother being Rosamunda Took) "Estella' as the sister of Fredegar and her birth-date 1385; and to the Brandybuck genealogy he added to Meridadoc '=Estalla Bolger 1385', noting beside this that he had told a correspondent in 1965 that 'I believe he married a sister of Fredegar Bolger of the Bolgers of Budgeford.' These corrections, for a reason unknown to me, were not incorporated in the Allen and Unwin Second Edition, but they did occur in a later impression of the Ballantine edition of 1966, and hence Estella Bogler and her marriage to Merry Brandybuck are entered in the Complete Guide to Middle-earth by Robert Foster.

These additions to the family trees were made at the insistence of Douglas A Anderson in the Houghton Mifflin edition of 1987 to which he contributed a note on the history of the text. Estella Bolger and her marriage to Meriadoc have finally entered the British 'tradition' in the re-set edition published by Harper Collins in 1994. "


So it's in some of the newer publications but not the older ones. My RotK is an original copy and it's not on that family tree either. But it is accurate, so you're safe.

Anna

[queenoftheshire]

I think there's a conflict between editions. See one of mine says he married Estella on the family tree and in the timelines but in my newest version it just says it on the family tree.

[SilverMoonLady]

Oh please oh please tell me! Is there a marriage date for them? See... I write Merry/Estella fics and my copy of LOTR doesn't have even her existence, though I had it on good authority that she did indeed marry Merry from a friend with the complete copy. If there's any date beyond that of her birth mentioned, PLEASE tell me... I do so want to stay within cannon!

[SilverMoonLady]

It's official, I am the thread killer. Every post I ask/answer literally, moments later, dies.......... Oh well
Probably the lack of frisky elves....

[NancyBrooke]

[SilverMoonLady]

Oh I'm not feeling sorry for myself, just amused and curious:)

I should have them married within two weeks actually, assuming I can wake my beta:)

But thanks for the info:)

Frisky elves are lovely, unless you're a certified PHF like myself, which doesn't mean I can't appreciate the thought of certain *tall* persons wearing next to nothing at all... *grin* Well, anyway, the very words "frisky elves" seems to bring people out of the woodwork to participate in ANY conversation, which I find terribly amusing

But enough of that... Time for me to get some hobbits into *trouble*

[Andreth]

[SilverMoonLady]

Ta Ta Ta Da!! ThreadKiller!!! *swings through the forum pirate-style*

Beware and be wary, ThreadKiller on the loose! Give me some good hobbit bondage or I'll post on your thread and Yes! Kill it! Bang, dead, done!!

Tee hee hee!!! *mad over-caffeinated grin*

*a plump little hobbit lass wanders by, knocks the madwoman over the heat with a skillet and shoves her into a closet*

Sorry about that, she just gets loose sometimes. Thanks for the info.

SilverMoonLady

[Andreth]

You know, our little Virtual Village is open to Hobbit-lovers, too. It's just been all Elves because we're all Elf-lovers so far. I think it would be interesting to have Hobbit slaves running around the village, too. And you actually sound pretty twisted -which means you'd fit right in!

[SilverMoonLady]

HeHeHe:)
I wish I had a little more time, it sounds like fun
Unfortunately I only have access at work... Well, that may change someday *fun twisted ideas running past* Hmm.. I may have to just cut into my typing time, there is a distinct lack of short people in that little town:)

[Leila]