[trekqueen]

Yea I saw the link on the news tidbit here on OSA. I'm not liking this plotline one bit. *grumbles*

[Viv]

Chris Pine as Shatner.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/Movies/10/19/film.startrek.ap/index.html

He *does* have a handsome but vapid smile.

[trekqueen]

yea but come on! a lindsey lohan and anne hathaway movie actor? *grumble*

DON'T get me started on the whole Shaun of the Dead guy and Harold of the Newcastle movie being cast either. I think Abrams is trying to kill me, really he is.


and Karl Urban is all deadsmexy and stuff but geez... not my mccoy. i was much happier with the thought that gary sinise might be cast.

[Scribe]

Actually I'm starting to wonder whether the reason for the complete turn around in casting is a 'Starbuck'. In that I mean the casting of a woman to play Starbuck in battlestar galactica so that there would be no inevitable comparisons to Dirk Benedict (who was just so cool). Perhaps they're casting this way because we'll see these faces as so different, we won't make the comparisons to Deforrest Kelly, George Takei, etc. Its like thinking, this isn't the same Starbuck..

[trekqueen]

I can understand the analogy but I think Trek is much different in the franchise aspect than BSG. Trek IS the TOS crew, that's what got this crazy shindig started.

Just yesterday I caught some clips of an interview with Shatner. He's rather disappointed he's not included and that they are essentially re-writing something he did that made a show fanbase simply explode. Although he is known for being an ass and prankster, I think he is rather serious in the interview.

Interview One: Is Shatner in Trek XI?

Interview Two: Shatner's View on Trek XI Not Having Kirk

[Rhapsody]

I have to agree with your assessment Trek, BSG has only known one old series which prominently was on tv/cinema between 1978-1980, whereas Star Trek had many variations, crews and adventures from the sixties - a pause before first motion picture was released - to nearly present day with the latest spinoff with a different crew being ST: enterprise. It always has been around on tv/cinema for the fans. BSG has been tried to revive so often, but every new creation of the ST concept has always been embraced by the supportive ST fandom. This combined that ST always relied very heavily on consistency whereas the current BSG is completely re-invisioned, perhaps the long time in between made that possible. This is not the case with ST as far as I have understood the news bits that came out.

This is a movie that will be placed between the franchise enterprise and TOS before they will well head out into space with Kirk as a captain. In order to make it work it needs to fit within the consistency, so casting feels crucial if you ask me to keep your fans onboard if you also want to make changes in the universe. After all they kept ST alive as well and will go back more than once to see the movie and buy the dvd's.

As much as I would have wished to see Paul McGillion being cast as Scotty instead of Simon Pegg, well we just have to wait how this all will be brought to screen. You never know, perhaps this cast has a chemistry (I can see Karl playing McKoy, this guy is so multitalented) that sparkles of the screen. Or it can be the final death stab brought to the ST universe after especially Brannon Braga did more harm than good. It is a relieve to know Braga is not creatively involved in this project so yeah.

[vladazhael]

[trekqueen]

agreed, Vlad. Voyager was 'ok' and mostly was just my trek fix when DS9 ended. I forced myself to muddle through two seasons of Enterprise and I just couldn't do it because it was so horrible. Nemesis really killed it for me because it was so bad fanfic/mary sue crap. *shakes head*

Voyager tried too hard in the babe department. Enterprise tried to continue that with T'Pol and it sucked. I remember sitting down watching the pilot where they were in decontamination and thinking "WTF is this crap?????" It might work for Star Wars fans (a VERY different genre of fans that are more of the geek dorks whie trek is more nerdy geeks if that makes sense). The stories became terrible and fans lost interest.

I agree with all the folks that Trek needs a rest before a resurrection, like a BSG gap (and I think Rhaps did a great job comparing the two and the differences). Braga killed it with the bit of help from Berman who had his head stuck up his butt for too long. Enterprise did have the potential and I was initially excited when I heard about it. very disappointing.

seriously, if this movie really kicks the dead horse into vaporization, I'm done.

[Viv]

[Rhapsody]

[trekqueen]

yea I forgot to post in response to Dax, I had meant to. I absolutely HATED Ezri Dax. I was so upset that Jadzia was killed off and then this bouncing bundle of annoyance comes in??? She was terrible and I hated the fact the writers wrote her in like everyone (except worf) were all hunky dorey with accepting her rather quickly. I missed a lot of the last season because I was about to graduate high school (with like 4 AP classes ugh) and they changed the nights DS9 aired so it messed up my schedule immensely. Didn't help they had this stupid girl show up. :p

[vladazhael]

[dolarabee]

You know, and I'm probably going to get shot for this, but it's that very scene that got me to tune in the following week.

I'm not much of a Trek fan. I grew up with the reruns of the original series but though I must have seen most of them by now, I don't really commit them to memory.

TNG, I only watched if I happened to surf in on it with nothing else better to do. I always found it too clean, too sterile, like a hospital. You can almost smell the desinfectant. And though Stewart was brilliant as Picard, and my little teenage girl heart had a fleeting beat or two for Riker, and Q was a riot, I never got sucked it.

When DS9 started, it must have been right about the time another show based on a space station started. Sorry but Babylon 5 won out. It was gritty, messy and, to me, everything Trek had never ventured or risked doing.

Voyager? Can't stand Janeway's voice. I just can't. Again, much like Riker, Chakotay made me tune in a couple of times (what can I say? I'm a romantic and a shipper at heart!), and also I did like the Borg as a villain so that got my attention for a few more times, but to me that series lacked the same thing the others before it did. Nitty-gritty. Twisted and ugly things that didn't end up all sorted out and wrapped up with a little bow at the end, smelling roses.* And wouldn't you know, they rehashed the same themes and very similar plots. I suppose it's acceptable with so many EPs written over so many spin-offs. That's not my main bone anyway.

Oh, and I did go see all the Trek movies on the big screen. As much as Shatner can be annoying, I always loved to revisit the original cast on a new adventure. And he is Kirk.

When Enterprise showed up, I was so surprised by that scene in decon, the fact it was co-ed and so unashamebly full of UST, that I thought, finally, they had dared to move away from the squeeky clean.

It was also probably more appealing to a non-Trek because you didn't need to know all the lore. It was the start after all. But this show had, in so many ways, the same 'reset' button I saw on the others. (not really a serious flaw as many other shows have the same - just check out The X-Files)

I ended up loving the cast, even if the characterisations were very wooden at the beginning. Phlox was probably the best. And I liked the MACOs, even if they never fleshed them out enough. And if you forgot T'Pol's skimpy suit (let's face it, it wasn't the character's nor the actress' fault), she was a very interesting and multi-layered character. And I did like her butting heads with Trip.

No, my problem was with it was the PTBs, and sadly Archer. For some reason, Scott Bakula never did pull it off. But I still feel it's a shame that show didn't get its seven years like the others. It was getting better. The way they finished it was a slap in the face too.

Berman and Braga disgust me.

do. (and her non-Trekkie opinions)

* I know I'm probably unfair as I'm certainly generalising since, admittedly, I haven't seen all the EPs. I remember talking about this with Scribe over the years and I did come across a few that were certainly interesting and full of lies and deceit. I do believe it was an arc on DS9.

[trekqueen]

I can understand that too with the non-Trekkie perspective because a LOT of non-trekkies did get into it. Though, like you said you didn't get to see a lot of other episodes of the other shows. I think there were some dark moments on TNG but not nearly as much as DS9 which did get much deeper and darker as time wore on, the Dominion War is one such case.

My biggest beef with Enterprise was that it gave the final kick to the trek coffin with the writers not caring at all about chronological history that thas already been set in the previous shows. Heck, like the Xindi and the temporal wars or whatever they called it, I would imagine both picard and sisko would have mentioned them at some point be it comparing to the Dominion war or Picard going off in one of his humanity monologues to make a point.

they really could have gone somewhere with what trek history had said happened but just fleshed it out in a kickass way... that is what got me interested in the show premise initially.

and you're right about bakula, though as I've told you before, I just don't take him seriously as mr cool captain after I saw him in RL.

[Viv]