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Maram68
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2003 2:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd sign up for Un-Mary-Sue-ness 101 in a heartbeat.

Anyway, Roisin is terribly right ... it is almost impossible to write Legolas romances and not thread the thin line of Mary-Sueness ...

So, whenever the course is on, I'm in ! Smile
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Panneth



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2003 6:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scribe wrote:
I like sticking to my facts but I also like to push the envelope.


When I write I tend to think that if Tolkien did not mention it then it's open for interpretation such as Legolas and Gimli's wives as you suggest and another being what happened to Thranduil's wife. However if Tolkien does say something on the matter then I think if you're writing a story that sticks to the canon you should stick to that as well. I've just started something new and I cannot tell you how difficult it is finding new fact about what Galadriel and Celeborn were doing in the Third Age, and let's not talk about Amroth.

Piece of advice to you all - if you're happy with your story don't dip in to UT just for *fun* to kill some time..... Mad
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Viv
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2003 9:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maram68 wrote:
I'd sign up for Un-Mary-Sue-ness 101 in a heartbeat.
So, whenever the course is on, I'm in ! Smile


Me, too. Now we just neat to find some instructors (preferably elven ones with paddles, but mere humans would be fine, too).
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Ariel



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2003 12:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, if you actually want me to teach an non-Sueness course, I would gladly do it. It really isn't as hard as you think creating a character that is NOT a Mary Sue.

First off, though, I would like to get some examples to use to compare and contrast. I will take a 'Sue' from the audience - any of you can offer one - and then I will proceed to examine and explain what the author could have done to maybe save this character from being a 'Sue'.

BUT - before you all hand me your precious stories to rip to shreds - I would ask that you take a look at the closest thing that I did to a Mary Sue. She seems to fall into all the traps (romance with main character, unique colored eyes, special powers) but very few (OK, none) have ever called her a Mary Sue.

http://www.openscrolls.net/fanfic/story.php?no=6

See if YOU think this is a Mary Sue. I mean, I would HATE to have you all scribbling notes about how not to write a Mary Sue character dictated from a person who you think wrote the biggest one of all!

If you agree, she's not a Mary Sue, and you think I would be able to help you, then please, by all means, come forth and I will teach what I can!

Ariel
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