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LadyRoisin



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 4:35 pm    Post subject: Books about M-e, Which are God? What Ones to Avoid? Help! Reply with quote

After a most unhappy mishap with a Tolkien related book, I found that I
neded to ask the following question of my fandom friends who are more
knowledgable in this area than I am. What Tolkien books or guides to
Middle earth are accurate? And which guides to Tolkien's languages and
Middle earth should I (or anyone) stay far away from?

I know the books written by JRR Tolkien himself are good. That's an
obvious "d'oh!" there.

What books on the languages (like Elvish, Westron, Rhohirric, ect.) are
accurate? Where can you find them? (Don't say barnes and Noble or
Borders, I've called around to every location of both stores in my area,
and none of them carry anything beyond The Sim, UF, History of M-e, and
That Languages of Tolkien's M-e that I was told was out of date and full
of errors)

What books on the extra resources are ok? Which ones do you stay away
from?

Do you HAVE to be a member of The Tolkien Society to get ahold of these
extra books?

If not, where do you find these extra resource books?

I'm totally 100% serious about this. I'm pretty good with my canon, but
I want to learn more. But I also don't want to get stuck buying another
out of date full of errors book. I'm especially trying to find an
accurate book on the languages. But the only one I can find is the Ruth
S. Noel one that I was told is inaccurate. Is there any other books?
Where do I find them?

I've been told don't trust any of the resource websites because 99% of
them are inaccurate. is this true? Which ones are safe?



Thank you so much for your help. i really appreciate it. And I am
totally serious about trying to get the accurate research I need.

Roisin
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 5:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In addition to most of the Histories, I also have the Index. It's simply called "The Middle-earth History Index" and I've found it invaluable for research.

as far as the non-Tolkien Tolkien-related books I have, I don't have much past the maps.

"The Map of Tolkien's Beleriand and the Lands to the North" by Brian Sibley and John Howe is to die for and I'm going to pull the map out and have it framed for my office once we get in our new house.

I have:

JRR Tolkien, Artist and Illustrator

The Lord of the Rings Weapons and Warfare (movie verse but good)

The Journeys of Frodo by Barbara Strachey
and
The Atlas of Middle-earth by Karen Wynn Fonstad

I also have Robert Foster's "Complete Guide to Middle-earth". I've had people tell me that it has inaccuracies, so I always try to double check the info I get from there, but I haven't found any errors.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 5:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you thank you thank you!!! I've had a horrible time trying to sort through what is ok and what is not. I feel really dumb for having bought "The Languages of Tolkien's Middle earth" by Ruth S. Noel. But then again, I didn't know it was inaccurate. It looked legit to me when I looked through it briefly last night after getting it (I bought it online).

Thank you again for your help. Smile

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're very welcome

and btw, when I bought the Foster's Guide. It was physically messed up in the binding with several sections repeated and several missing. So I wonder if the information about the print run has been mistakenly passed on as the information the book being bad?

Maybe someone else knows.

But generally, I like to stay with the original works and not use too many outside sources.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I try to also, and of course the original works are THE standard. It's just hard to know exactly where to look sometimes. I'm also really wanting to learn more Elvish and more about the different anguages. I know there's part of one of the apendices that talks about it. But I want more info!
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 9:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Atlas of Middle-earth by Karen Wynn Fonstad has been pretty helpful too. She actually sat down w/ the professor late in his life to sketch the maps, so I'd consider them more accurate than most.

ISBN: 0-618-12699-6
Publisher: Houghton Mifflin
Cover Price: $24.00 (US)

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 11:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 10:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I find the Atlas and the Complete Guide very helpful.

I also rely alot on online sites, such as:
The Encyclopedia of Arda
The Thain's Book

and, for language info: Ardalambion

Any sources, except the Professor himself, should be double checked, IMHO.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 2:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The Atlas of Middle-earth by Karen Wynn Fonstad


Will just nod to everyone else's suggestion on this one. I've used it a lot for fic. Plus, it's pretty. Smile

Also, NB mentioned the Ardalambion. Excellent linguistic resource. If you're wanting to learn a bit about Tolkien's languages, that's the place to go. I've used Dragon Flame for Sindarin (er, some time ago when it was very, very new and not very sophisticated; I understand it's gotten a lot niftier in recent years), and it's super neato. Steer clear of the Grey Elves sites online. Wink

I like Foster's guide, but my edition is really old, so it doesn't have anything from the later volumes of HoME. Speakin' of: HoME = History of Middle-earth: check these out on that research list Alassante mentioned, though I'll warn you that they're thick to read and only about five percent of the information there is relevant, since those books contain earlier versions of eventts and character that JRR eventually revised. e.g., Strider is no longer a Hobbit named Trotter. Thank Eru.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 6:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One book to avoid is the Tolkien Bestiary by David Day.

I can't really help with references for the languages.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 11:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Haleth wrote:
One book to avoid is the Tolkien Bestiary by David Day.

I can't really help with references for the languages.


I had no idea until we discussed this on here on and in my group. Glad I didn't buy it! lol

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 11:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Viv wrote:
since those books contain earlier versions of eventts and character that JRR eventually revised. e.g., Strider is no longer a Hobbit named Trotter. Thank Eru.


There you go - a challenge right there! Write Strider as a Hobbit named Trotter Wink

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 9:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alassante wrote:
Viv wrote:
since those books contain earlier versions of eventts and character that JRR eventually revised. e.g., Strider is no longer a Hobbit named Trotter. Thank Eru.


There you go - a challenge right there! Write Strider as a Hobbit named Trotter Wink

Okey dokey! Very Happy I'll put it in the pipeline!

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 12:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NancyBrooke wrote:
Alassante wrote:
Viv wrote:
since those books contain earlier versions of eventts and character that JRR eventually revised. e.g., Strider is no longer a Hobbit named Trotter. Thank Eru.


There you go - a challenge right there! Write Strider as a Hobbit named Trotter Wink

Okey dokey! Very Happy I'll put it in the pipeline!


Don't forget the wooden feet!

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