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Sulriel
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saw this and am pasting it in here for ref: in case you decide to offer a paypal button.
| Quote: | | As described on this link, PayPal also offers a 5¢ + 5% option, which is better for any amounts under $12. That link describes how to do it (and that you must use a separate paypal and bank account from the 30¢/3% account you may already have with Paypal). It ultimately points you to this link at paypal to set up a micropayment account. A 99¢ story then nets you 89¢, and so on. I've set this up for myself and it works well. |
http://www.askdavetaylor.com/can_i_use_paypal_for_micropayments.html
http://www.paypal.com/activate_micropayments_5pct_plus_5cents_new_account_pricing
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vladazhael
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I like Binka's category suggestions, although I'd also like to see a section for poetry (if welcome, anyway) all by itself since much of that is rather surreal and hard to shove into a genre.
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Robbie
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Just a couple of quick notes.
We wouldn't want to allow a "free field"; for categories, it would require programming and I'm barely here enough anyway, but also things can get chaotic. Spelling errors would be annoying.
We can do sub-categories, sub-sub-categories and sub-sub-sub-coming-out-your-bum-categories if we really wanted, though 
PayPal: we've had 2 (two) donations in the past 12 months. The amount of money lost on the website is enough, we wouldn't really want to give others any hope! I know that's our fault (Do & I) for not getting behind the site enough, but still not worth the effort.
Viv's suggestion of pointing to e-book places we wouldn't have a problem with. And remember we do have the "member ads" for those that have donated if you want to promote your own e-books, Viv. As Sulriel says, members do click on them - a lot more frequently than the paying ads!
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Something that no-one has discussed it potential abuse of the system. Some users may write "fanfic" but, because they wrote it, they consider it original. I like "Original Scrolls" as a name, but any advice about how we can nail this behaviour before we get hit?
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| Quote: | Something that no-one has discussed it potential abuse of the system. Some users may write "fanfic" but, because they wrote it, they consider it original. I like "Original Scrolls" as a name, but any advice about how we can nail this behaviour before we get hit?
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I'm guessing the only way to solve this would be to include some lawyer's lingo in the form of an agreement. Whoever posted would have to click on the agree button so that you and Do would not be held liable for any abuse.
It might also help to have an admin over this particular category that looks through the posts beforehand to make sure they don't violate anything.
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I agree with Eira's idea of moderation of the OF archive. Perhaps, access to it should be approved, as it is in the VV?
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| Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 11:02 am Post subject: |
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PayPal: we've had 2 (two) donations in the past 12 months. The amount of money lost on the website is enough, we wouldn't really want to give others any hope! I know that's our fault (Do & I) for not getting behind the site enough, but still not worth the effort.
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Maybe on the home page you could show how much donations month to date and how much is needed. I know HASA does that and it keeps it fresh in people's mind that this site is free to them - but not to you two. I know I forget about the paypal button 
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Sulriel
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>>Something that no-one has discussed it potential abuse of the system. Some users may write "fanfic" but, because they wrote it, they consider it original. I like "Original Scrolls" as a name, but any advice about how we can nail this behaviour before we get hit?
I do think this is likely to be a problem (I saw too many come through critters when I was there) and it's going to be hard to deal with because it could easily be nothing but a huge grey area. Look at Eragon, I'm sure there are a thousand examples.
My thoughts would be that a button would have to be clicked that would promise that the work is original - etc... and probably an admin or approval team that looks stuff over would be a good idea. Prior to release? I don't know. I would be willing to team up and help out on something like that.
I do think it would be a good idea to state somewhere something along the lines of "if we think it's derivative rather than original, it will me moved to the appropriate archive. our decisions are final"
but back to the grey area - my first sale was a story that I couldn't get anyone in the fandom to read so I yanked it down, did a search and replace, changed the names and it sold to the third place I submitted it. It's been about five years ago and I got cornered at the convention last month by bunch of my old f2f crit group who wanted to know if I still planned on novelizing it and we spent about two hours brainstorming. People liked it and remembered it and after all this time still want more. ... so there are going to be times it's going to be hard to define what's original and whats derivative and admin needs the freedom to discuss it among themselves and, with *guidelines* in place, they need to be able to make subjective judgments on the works.
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| Sulriel wrote: | | My thoughts would be that a button would have to be clicked that would promise that the work is original |
It could also be a sort of acknowledgement that each author retains all rights to their story, and it can't be used by anyone without the author's permission.
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| RobinKa wrote: | | Sulriel wrote: | | My thoughts would be that a button would have to be clicked that would promise that the work is original |
It could also be a sort of acknowledgement that each author retains all rights to their story, and it can't be used by anyone without the author's permission. |
Or watermark stories...
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Sulriel
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| Rhapsody wrote: | | RobinKa wrote: | | Sulriel wrote: | | My thoughts would be that a button would have to be clicked that would promise that the work is original |
It could also be a sort of acknowledgement that each author retains all rights to their story, and it can't be used by anyone without the author's permission. |
Or watermark stories... |
what do you mean by 'watermark'? I haven't heard that term used in that way before.
as far as the rights. the author will have to grant non-exclusive world-wide e-rights to open scrolls - however that needs to be worded.
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| Sulriel wrote: | | Rhapsody wrote: | | RobinKa wrote: | | Sulriel wrote: | | My thoughts would be that a button would have to be clicked that would promise that the work is original |
It could also be a sort of acknowledgement that each author retains all rights to their story, and it can't be used by anyone without the author's permission. |
Or watermark stories... |
what do you mean by 'watermark'? I haven't heard that term used in that way before. |
It's an option at Deviant art where artist can chose for the option to get a somesort of digital stamp on it. I've seen it around in webdesign. If someone tries to 'steal' work there, they would have a field day removing it.
| Quote: | | as far as the rights. the author will have to grant non-exclusive world-wide e-rights to open scrolls - however that needs to be worded. |
That always sounds logical to me, even with ff.
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eiranae
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| Quote: | It's an option at Deviant art where artist can chose for the option to get a somesort of digital stamp on it. I've seen it around in webdesign. If someone tries to 'steal' work there, they would have a field day removing it.
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Oh! I've seen those. They have them on a guitar tabs program I used a trial for once. Unless you pay, there's a gigantic stamp on it when you try to print it out. Nice deterrent.
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Sulriel
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| eiranae wrote: | | Quote: | It's an option at Deviant art where artist can chose for the option to get a somesort of digital stamp on it. I've seen it around in webdesign. If someone tries to 'steal' work there, they would have a field day removing it.
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Oh! I've seen those. They have them on a guitar tabs program I used a trial for once. Unless you pay, there's a gigantic stamp on it when you try to print it out. Nice deterrent. |
I've seen the watermark on photos and art, but I didn't know how it would work on text when you can select and copy/paste.
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dolarabee
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Not sure how we could use a watermark - or something similar - to sort of lock/protect the stories. It's a good idea, but not sure how to implement it.
Going back to categories, I've been looking at a few other sites that host original fics...
Fiction Press divides their archive extensively - at first glance too extensively for our tastes, but I thought I'd put it here anyway:
Their archive is divided in two sections: fiction and poetry
And then sub-sections:
For Fiction-
Action
Biography
Essay
Fable
Fantasy
General
Historical
Horror
Humor
Kids
Manga
Mystery
Mythology
Play
Romance
Sci-Fi
Spiritual
Supernatural
Thriller
Western
Young Adult
For Poetry-
Family
Fantasy
Friendship
General
Haiku
Humor
Life
Love
Nature
Politics
Religion
School
Song
War
Work
While I think we could use some of those, we'd much rather have poetry thrown in with the rest, on the same level as drama, action, fanstasy, etc. Doesn't stop us from sub-dividing it though, as it is up there.
I don't know, is that breaking it down too much?
Fic Wad, on the other hand, keeps it simpler, with all on one level:
Drama
Erotica
Fantasy
Historical
Horror
Humor
Mystery
Poetry
Romance
Sci-Fi
Since we don't want a 'free field' maybe the above isn't offering enough choice. Maybe Fiction Press' way helps to more define each fic...
Just thought I'd toss this in to get your views.
Cheers,
do.
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Sulriel
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>>And then sub-sections:
For Fiction-
Action
Biography
Essay
Fable
Fantasy
General
Historical
Horror
Humor
Kids
Manga
Mystery
Mythology
Play
Romance
Sci-Fi
Spiritual
Supernatural
Thriller
Western
Young Adult
are this searchable fields? iow, if I want to click a link to pull up all the dramas? or all the romances?
I'm not sure you need that many.
For Fiction-
Action/Adventure
Biography, Essay (wouldn't both of these go in a subheading under non-fiction)
Fantasy, Fable, Mythology
General – what is this supposed to be? Like "Mainstream" ..don't make me rant. IMO, if they don't know what it is, how did they write it and why would I want to read it.
Historical, Western
Horror Mystery Supernatural Thriller (I would put all this under a main cate paranormal)
Humor
Play…? I thought we didn't allow scripts here.
Romance
Sci-Fi
Spiritual (I've generally seen this listed as inspirational) it would be a main cate and may need a sub cate romance, horror, whatever.
Young Adult, Kids, (<= these should go under their genre/sub-genre and be YA by the rating)
* Manga: I know nothing about. It's not necessarily YA? I still think this should be a sub-cate under action/adventure, romance, horror, whatever.
This is just quick and dirty (I know that's the way you like it! ) while I drink my coffee
Question: will the same list populate the "genre" "sub-genre" and "sub-sub-genre" field.?
So you could have a "romantic fantasy" or a "fantasy w/romantic elements"?
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