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Alassante
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 11:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dolarabee wrote:

Fic Wad, on the other hand, keeps it simpler, with all on one level:

Drama
Erotica
Fantasy
Historical
Horror
Humor
Mystery
Poetry
Romance
Sci-Fi


Personally I think those are enough sections. You don't want to have 100 sections with one story each in it.

Can people who aren't members read stories that are rated R and NC17? I know that members can but I wasn't sure about everyone else.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 11:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alassante wrote:

Can people who aren't members read stories that are rated R and NC17? I know that members can but I wasn't sure about everyone else.


Nevermind - I tested it myself and they cannot read R and NC17 without being a member.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 12:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ok - eep.

I was confusing categories with types.

I'm not sure if anything I said makes sense? I'll have to rethink it and post again later.

so:

each story will have a category, and then a type and maybe a sub-type.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 5:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dolarabee wrote:

Fic Wad, on the other hand, keeps it simpler, with all on one level:

Drama
Erotica
Fantasy
Historical
Horror
Humor
Mystery
Poetry
Romance
Sci-Fi


I really like this. Summaries and warnings (violence, gore, smut, etc) would, in my opinion, take care of the rest of it. Pretty much anything on the planet can be sorted into one of these categories, even if loosely.

Am getting giddy about this. Smile Already have a couple of pieces ready to go.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 5:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Viv wrote:
dolarabee wrote:

Fic Wad, on the other hand, keeps it simpler, with all on one level:

Drama
Erotica
Fantasy
Historical
Horror
Humor
Mystery
Poetry
Romance
Sci-Fi


I really like this. Summaries and warnings (violence, gore, smut, etc) would, in my opinion, take care of the rest of it. Pretty much anything on the planet can be sorted into one of these categories, even if loosely.

Am getting giddy about this. Smile Already have a couple of pieces ready to go.



do enough people understand the difference between erotica and romance to label it correctly? or should erotica be listed under romance with an appropriate rating and warnings?

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 10:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good point Sulriel. I think of Erotica as the whole story revolving strictly around the sex. With Romance its a story that may or may not have sex/graphic sex in it (with proper warnings and ratings of course). But there are a lot of people who consider anything with sex in it as Erotica.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 3:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alassante wrote:
Good point Sulriel. I think of Erotica as the whole story revolving strictly around the sex. With Romance its a story that may or may not have sex/graphic sex in it (with proper warnings and ratings of course). But there are a lot of people who consider anything with sex in it as Erotica.



exactly.

Romance, as a genre, is strictly defined as, my paraphrase, a story of two individuals coming together to find a HEA (Happily Ever After) or a HFN (Happily For Now). The story revolves around the development of the relationship and may or may not include sex at any level of rating.

Erotica is essentially a nice word for pornography. The focus of the story is the sexual adventure. It may or may not revolve around a romance or action/adveenture (!! Now *there's* a fun sounding bunny!!) or have any kind of subplot, but it's all about the sex from page one.


My only concern is that many readers and most casual writers don't necessarily define the differences.

I won't fuss either way, however it's set up, but I think that you'll have some amount of confusion if they aren't combined.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 5:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some of my erotica characters aren't very romantic. Wink

I'm cool either way. I'm comfortable slapping on a long list of warnings and ratings and other digital chastity belts.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We could certainly add the definitions of both in the 'how to post' guide...

Should take care of any confusion.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 8:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

here are some sample wordings:

this is from the Wild Rose Press re: "Romance"

* There must be one hero and one heroine at the end of the story who find happy ever after.

questions to test if you have written a romance:

* Is the majority of the story is focused on the relationship between the hero and heroine? (answer should be "yes")

* How as close to the first page as possible do they meet? (should be in the first or second page)

* Do their interactions take up the majority of ink space in the book? (answer should be "yes")


* When they’re not together are they thinking about each other? (answer should be "yes")

* Do they both have to sacrifice/learn something at the end of the story? (answer should be "yes")

* Whatever the external conflict, can it only be solved by working together? (answer should be "yes")

* If the story is spicy-hot/depicts love scenes, are they the only ones whose lovemaking the reader is privy to? (answer should be "yes")

* At the end of the story, is there is a Happy Ever After? (answer should be "yes")


If there are secondary characters, is that all they are—secondary. They don’t dominate the text. Their stories (if they have any) are alluded to, rather than focused on? (answer should be "yes")

* If there is a subplot, it serves to further the interactions between the Hero & Heroine? (answer should be "yes")

* The main Points Of Views are the Hero & Heroine. If we step away from it, is it because a character has information the reader needs to know that can’t be conveyed via the Hero or Heroine? (answer should be "yes")


*********** back to me: this is copied directly from the WRP website so whatever parts of it you want to use need to either be credited or paraphrase. If you like these suggested guidelines, I'd be happy to try to combine/condense/simplify them for our use here.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 8:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

copy/pasted from Ellora's Cave re: erotica

Quote:
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quality erotica for women. These stories focus on a woman’s sexual journey or adventures. Although they may contain a romance, they do not have to include that as the primary focus, the relationship does not need to be monogamous or end with commitment.



key phrase here, "...stories focus on the sexual journey or adventures"

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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2009 9:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for that. I've gone with the ten genres from FicWad. I've given each a short description and I will add a page to the guidelines for more in-depth info on each to avoid confusion. If we find that another genre would help later on, we can always add it.

Someone mentioned locking the Original Fic section up like the virtual village. The problem with that is that no one would see or read the stories unless they ask to become a member of that section. It seems rather limiting, no? Wouldn't you rather want your work seen by most?

As Alassante mentioned, readers will still have to be registered members to read NC-17-rated material (even if we don't lock it up as the VV) and the same warning will pop up.

There was something else... oh, yes. The little drop-down menu for story type that currently exists when one posts a new story will still apply. I'm afraid that's across the site, touching every section/archive. Unfortunately, there will be some repetition for some genres/types (drama, mystery, humour, etc.). It's unavoidable now as we can't alter that list since it's already been into play since day one and over three thousand stories have been (potentially) catalogued in the database using it. I'm sure it will look a bit weird and untidy but we'll have to live with it.

More later.

do.

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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2009 11:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, I agree it needs to be as accessible as possible in order to gain readership.

the categories look good. question about the history description, it says something like: "a notable" period. I think that's ok, but IIRC, most commercial publishers consider 'historicals' to be "prior to WWI" or something like that.

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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2009 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
A story taking place during a notable period in history.

From what I read is has to be set at least 50 years ago...

I just couldn't come up with a short description for that one. Any ideas?

They mention not only a notable period but also often a specific event that happened then. The stories don't have to be about real past people but it should be anchored in some real setting or event, with references to real people, places, etc. Hard to put that in a small blurb.

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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2009 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dolarabee wrote:
Quote:
A story taking place during a notable period in history.

From what I read is has to be set at least 50 years ago...

I just couldn't come up with a short description for that one. Any ideas?

They mention not only a notable period but also often a specific event that happened then. The stories don't have to be about real past people but it should be anchored in some real setting or event, with references to real people, places, etc. Hard to put that in a small blurb.

do.



what about: ///deleted///

I can't think of anything better that isn't too long. Confused

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