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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 5:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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He was before the show came out but I think now he realizes that cat's out of the bag and he shut up. I don't know of any archive that don't have both show and book verse (LJ, FF.net, and AO3 do). Is there one I don't know of?

Oh, yeah? So what's the deal then? I don't care one way or another, just trying to respect authors' wishes. We've extended that courtesy to Anne Rice that I remember, but I really don't know this guy so I can only go on what you guys tell me.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 1:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Alassante wrote:
He was before the show came out but I think now he realizes that cat's out of the bag and he shut up. I don't know of any archive that don't have both show and book verse (LJ, FF.net, and AO3 do). Is there one I don't know of?

Oh, yeah? So what's the deal then? I don't care one way or another, just trying to respect authors' wishes. We've extended that courtesy to Anne Rice that I remember, but I really don't know this guy so I can only go on what you guys tell me.


I sent you some links yesterday via email Smile

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 9:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alassante wrote:
dolarabee wrote:
Alassante wrote:
He was before the show came out but I think now he realizes that cat's out of the bag and he shut up. I don't know of any archive that don't have both show and book verse (LJ, FF.net, and AO3 do). Is there one I don't know of?

Oh, yeah? So what's the deal then? I don't care one way or another, just trying to respect authors' wishes. We've extended that courtesy to Anne Rice that I remember, but I really don't know this guy so I can only go on what you guys tell me.




I've not really read any anywhere.... but I know EFFN has no book-verse. I'm pretty bad about staying in my own fandom(s)

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 4:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GRRM is fiercely against fanfiction. He states in his own FAQ the following:

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But don't write in my universe, or Tolkien's, or the Marvel universe, or the Star Trek universe, or any other borrowed background. Every writer needs to learn to create his own characters, worlds, and settings. Using someone else's world is the lazy way out. If you don't exercise those "literary muscles," you'll never develop them.


Things kinda exploded somewhere in 2010 when Diana Gabaldon made statements about this and he backed her up. Here's quite a clear LJ entry about it: http://grrm.livejournal.com/151914.html

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My position on so-called "fan fiction" is pretty well known. I'm against it, for a variety of reasons that I've stated previously more than once. I won't repeat 'em here.

My position is not unique. It is not universal either, I realize. Some writers actually encourage fan fiction (I know some of them, have heard their arguments), others don't seem to care one way or another (I know many of those). Many writers have no idea that it exists, no concept of what it is (in part because of the confusing term "fan fiction," which subject I will return to later), and have given the subject no thought. So there's a wide range of opinion on this matter, even among writers.

[...]

Consent, for me, is the heart of this issue. If a writer wants to allow or even encourage others to use their worlds and characters, that's fine. Their call. If a writer would prefer not to allow that... well, I think their wishes should be respected.

Myself, I think the writers who allow fan fiction are making a mistake. I am not saying here that the people who write fan fiction are evil or immoral or untrustworthy. The vast majority of them are honest and sincere and passionate about whatever work they chose to base their fictions on, and have only the best of intentions for the original author. But (1) there are always a few, in any group, who are perhaps less wonderful, and (2) this door, once opened, can be very difficult to close again.

Most of us laboring in the genres of science fiction and fantasy (but perhaps not Diana Gabaldon, who comes from outside SF and thus may not be familiar with the case I am about to cite) had a lesson in the dangers of permitting fan fiction a couple of decades back, courtesy of Marion Zimmer Bradley. MZB had been an author who not only allowed fan fiction based on her Darkover series, but actively encouraged it... even read and critiqued the stories of her fans. All was happiness and joy, until one day she encountered in one such fan story an idea similar to one she was using in her current Darkover novel-in-progress. MZB wrote to the fan, explained the situation, even offered a token payment and an acknowledgement in the book. The fan replied that she wanted full co-authorship of said book, and half the money, or she would sue. MZB scrapped the novel instead, rather than risk a lawsuit. She also stopped encouraging and reading fan fiction, and wrote an account of this incident for the SFWA FORUM to warn other writers of the potential pitfalls of same.

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A writer's creations are his livelihood. Those copyrights are ultimately all that separates an ERB from a HPL. Is it any wonder that most writers are so protective of them?

Those of us, like Diana Galabdon and myself, who prefer not to allow fan fictioners to use our worlds and characters are not doing it just to be mean. We are doing it to protect ourselves and our creations.

Furthermore, we HAVE to do it. That's something no one addressed, in those thousand comments about Diana's blog. There was a lot of talk about copyright, and whether or not fan fiction was illegal, whether it was fair use (it is NOT fair use, by the way, not as I understand the term, and I have a certain familiarity with what is and isn't fair use thanks to my own experiences with THE ARMAGEDDON RAG), but no one mentioned one crucial aspect of copyright law -- a copyright MUST BE DEFENDED. If someone infringes on your copyright, and you are aware of the infringement, and you do not defend your copyright, the law assumes that you have abandoned it. Once you have done that, anyone can do whatever the hell they want with your stuff. If I let Peter and Paul and Nancy publish their Ice & Fire fanfics, and say nothing, then I have no ground to stand on when Bill B. Hack and Ripoff Publishing decide they will publish an Ice & Fire novel and make some bucks. Peter and Paul and Nancy may be the nicest people in the world, motivated only by sincere love of my world and characters, but Bill B. Hack and Ripoff don't give a damn. They just want the bucks.

[...]

I have gone on longer than I intended, but I think this is important stuff. "Fan fiction" -- or whatever you want to call it -- has been around for a long time, but never like now. The internet has changed everything. Whereas before the fanfic might be published in obscure fanzines with a circulation of a hundred, now tens of thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands, can read these... well, let's just call them "unauthorized derivative works." (Except in cases where the writer has authorized 'em, which I suppose would be "authorized derivative works.") More than ever, we need some boundaries here.

I salute Diana Gabaldon for opening the debate.


HBO Productions only purchased the television rights, Martin is very heavily involved, also as a script writer in this series so I would, imho, err on the side of caution.. :-/

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for that, Rhaps. Very thorough.

do.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 3:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's the link I sent you via email Do.

There's nothing quite like being shamed for writing fanfiction. My ex-husband referred to it as elf porn when I started writing LOTR fanfic. But at least his FAQ sounds like he's not saying he thinks its shameful. He's just saying you'll be a better writer if you start in your own universe. Which might be true if you plan to be a professional writer. Myself I'm just writing for enjoyment - not to make a living.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Honestly, I've used Fanfiction to hon my skills. Yes, I'm using someone else's already made universe, but writing in the existing universe has helped me to explore and actually get some critique I wouldn't get otherwise. As it stands, there are writers out there who decide they can write and they are self publishing and they're self publishing crap. I'd rather hon my skills in a comfortable universe than jump in the mud and sink.

Oh and when you get around to thinking about more fandoms... Robin Hood. BBC 2005. You know... with that sexy Guy of Gisborne in leather.

Just... a random suggestion.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 6:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ZeeDrippyVessel wrote:
Oh and when you get around to thinking about more fandoms... Robin Hood. BBC 2005. You know... with that sexy Guy of Gisborne in leather.

Just... a random suggestion.

LOL Not so random really, is it? Twisted Evil

I was thinking Hansel & Gretel Witch Hunters. Anyone dabbling in that version of the tale?
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 11:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dolarabee wrote:
ZeeDrippyVessel wrote:
Oh and when you get around to thinking about more fandoms... Robin Hood. BBC 2005. You know... with that sexy Guy of Gisborne in leather.

Just... a random suggestion.

LOL Not so random really, is it? Twisted Evil

I was thinking Hansel & Gretel Witch Hunters. Anyone dabbling in that version of the tale?


well you could have a Myths, Legends and other Fantasies that make us go 'hmmmmmm'....

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 5:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

maybe add a general "gamers" archive. I noticed a Mass Effect fic in the original archives. there are lots of good games out there. Dragon Age, to name another one that I play. Skyrim, Borderlands, ug...too many to try to mention.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 12:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

These days, I find myself very much infatuated with Sir Guy of Gisborne and his leather lacings. You know... 'X marks the spot'.... hangs head in shame

Trust me, it was heavy heavy drugs. very heavy drugs...

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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2020 4:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Should I even try and revive this? (I'd have to wrack my brain and try and remember how to even add a new category first! Razz )

Zee, did I ever add one for Robin Hood?

The problem with having a catch-all category, for say game-based verses or myths and fantasies, is how the database works in the background. I'm chatting with Rob about this and we don't even remember why we couldn't do it but I think it was something to do with the search engine. And we're talking old tech here. But there was definitely a reason why we had to define each category at the outset.

Someone mentioned that fandom fics were uploaded in the Original Archive? (I'm scrolling back and can't find who/where it was...) Is is easy to search for them?

Just brainstorming.

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