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Ania

Joined: 08 Sep 2003 Posts: 198 Location: Britain
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Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2004 5:26 am Post subject: Elvish Gardening! |
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Does anyone know what sort of gardening elves do? Okay, this sounds so stupid but I'm really trying to picture the grounds of Rivendell, are there any maps or anything, all I've gone on is Alan Lee's art which is amazing but I'm not sure if it's in accordance with what Tolkien created.
Do elves:
-Have flower beds?
-Artificially grown flowers? |
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sindohte

Joined: 13 May 2003 Posts: 1621 Location: Rubbing up against an Elf
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Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2004 6:13 am Post subject: |
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Those are some interesting questions that I had not thought of before. Although I am far from being a gardener, I would say that there would be flower beds in Middle Earth. This is just a wild guess, but I would think that Elves would prefer a less structured flower garden arrangement. So they wouldn't have all their roses grouped in one section, tulips in another, etc., Instead it would all be mixed together in a beautiful arrangement.
What are you saying exactly when you say artifically grown flowers? Do you mean raised in a greenhouse? _________________ abandon thought, and let the dream descend... |
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BittenBuggy

Joined: 27 Dec 2003 Posts: 2108 Location: Busy Being the Queen Of Everything.. And Trying to Catch the Yoda-Copter
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Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2004 6:51 am Post subject: |
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Hey, now you're talking to the obsessive flower lady! I love gardening... Yet I know nothing about 'Elvish gardening." I don't quite know what you're asking...
As for whether they are artifically grown (greenhouse) that would seem unlikely since the climate would be sufficiant enough that they wouldnt need it. Plus, Rivendell has a ruling ring. Can you make your question a bit more specific please?  _________________ -The Queen of Everything - so dubed by Aerin
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Ania

Joined: 08 Sep 2003 Posts: 198 Location: Britain
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Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2004 8:34 am Post subject: |
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Sorry, I meant stuff like cultivating flowers (growing new species (?) don't know if that's the right word) and whether they'd prefer a more natural, and also the Loudwater (can't think of its other name) does it run through the grounds or does it run along beside the house?? Does this help?
I also mean like the order with which they are grown but sindohte answered that for me, but mainly would they be more ordered or obviously neat, or would they let the grass grow or cut it?
That kind of thing, I always imagined a subtler, tasteful, harmony to an elvish garden, like, everything had a place but appeared to have grown naturally there, if that makes sense!  |
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Thuriniel
Joined: 29 Jul 2003 Posts: 665 Location: Watching the purple sky fly over me ...
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Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2004 8:37 am Post subject: |
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I'm not a gardening freak, but after three months of seeing only white (snow, snow, snow), I'm dying to start planting flowers!
OK, to the question. I don't think that Elvish gardens would be very formal or stiff. I think they would go with the flow and imitate mother nature in a smaller scale (no topiaries, no laberynths, or other such things I don't know the names to ... the joys of English !). _________________ ~ boe an phân pedi ‘lam dadui ~
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Ellbee

Joined: 11 May 2003 Posts: 172
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Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2004 8:49 am Post subject: |
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I think you could make a case for any type of garden; after all, elves are as varied as humans, and it would be hard to justify saying "all elves like this." That said, I picture Elrond bas a more formal type myself, so I can certainly see formal gardens in Rivendell. But that wouldn't preclude more casual, less structured areas in the valley. Now Silvan elves I can see liking a much more natural environment, especially in a place like Mirkwood, where they'd have to be satsfied with whatever wildflowers might grow in a rare stray patch of sunlight.
But those are only my own off-the-cuff opinions. Like so much else in Tolkienfic, it's pretty much open to whatever you like and can present plausibly.
-Ell _________________ If anyone's looking for me, I'll be in the van with Eomer. |
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Haleth

Joined: 27 Sep 2003 Posts: 538 Location: The ruins of Tharbad.
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Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2004 5:09 pm Post subject: |
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delete _________________ Books would not be read, and pipes would not smoke. The day slipped out of his hand, running aimlessly to waste. JRR Tolkien. The Lost Road
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Viv Challenge Admin

Joined: 24 Apr 2003 Posts: 71 Location: Texas
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Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2004 5:50 pm Post subject: |
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| This is sort of related... do you supposed elves would cultivate food gardens? I mean, I've read fics where they have these lavish banquets, but I don't think I've ever read of Elrond poking around in a vegetable patch (can't you just picture it). Thoughts? |
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sindohte

Joined: 13 May 2003 Posts: 1621 Location: Rubbing up against an Elf
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Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2004 5:52 pm Post subject: |
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I would say yes they would have vegetable gardens. Elves don't strike me as being big meat eaters. Elves - the original vegetarians. _________________ abandon thought, and let the dream descend... |
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JennnLee

Joined: 03 Nov 2003 Posts: 123 Location: Orlando, FL
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Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2004 5:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Hmm, I guess I just figured that there was a kitchen staff of some kind who would tend a vegetable and herb garden. I don't really see Elrond out there spreading mulch either... |
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Ellbee

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Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2004 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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I dunno, I can see Elrond out there puttering with the soil, when the kids have gotten on his last nerve...
-Ell _________________ If anyone's looking for me, I'll be in the van with Eomer. |
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JennnLee

Joined: 03 Nov 2003 Posts: 123 Location: Orlando, FL
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Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2004 6:03 pm Post subject: |
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Pulling weeds, muttering under his breath, that sort of thing?  |
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Viv Challenge Admin

Joined: 24 Apr 2003 Posts: 71 Location: Texas
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Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2004 6:14 pm Post subject: |
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| JennnLee wrote: | Pulling weeds, muttering under his breath, that sort of thing?  |
Eep. Elrond with grass stains on his robes? Do you think he could take it? I always sort of pictured him as an OCD elf: so pristine no one would dare say that "peredhel" word with derision. |
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Haleth

Joined: 27 Sep 2003 Posts: 538 Location: The ruins of Tharbad.
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Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2004 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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I can easily see Elrond in an herb garden, tending the plants he used for healing. Herbs smell heavenly in the summer sunshine.
I believe they had vegetable gardens and cultivated grain.
There are many references to elves hunting in Tolkien's work. The Mirkwood elves were on the hunt when Bilbo and the Dwarves were going through Mirkwood. Orome, the Vala, was a hunter.
In an urban society, we tend to see hunting as a blood sport. But when you're trying to keep your family fed and don't have enough lifestock, it's a absolute necessity.
Elves likely hunted out of necessity; I can't see them killing for pleasure. I can see them enjoying the chase itself, though.
This brings up another question. Did elves raise livestock? _________________ Books would not be read, and pipes would not smoke. The day slipped out of his hand, running aimlessly to waste. JRR Tolkien. The Lost Road |
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sindohte

Joined: 13 May 2003 Posts: 1621 Location: Rubbing up against an Elf
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Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2004 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Haleth wrote: | | There are many references to elves hunting in Tolkien's work. The Mirkwood elves were on the hunt when Bilbo and the Dwarves were going through Mirkwood. Orome, the Vala, was a hunter. |
Nothing like me creating my own version of Tolkien's work. LOTR, the Sindohte edition - revised to suit my reality.
As for livestock I would say why not? I'm sure Galadriel enjoyed a poached egg or two for breakfast. _________________ abandon thought, and let the dream descend... |
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