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Moralanqua
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Did Haleth love a mullet wearer? No. Shes clearly not as rad as Andreth.
Arwen doesnt need any kinda journey. She'd just be a rehashing of Luthien then. She does just fine in her lil spot in the Appendices. The movie breathed life into her and she came off very well for it. There is no point over analysising her since there isnt enough proper bo canon to support in depth subjecture.
Can we bash Eowyn now?  I likes Arwen. She had class.
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slydog
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no offence but ur rong
ill continu this som other time
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Moralanqua
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| Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2004 10:04 pm Post subject: |
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Im never wrong. Im the Mora. 
Next you'll be telling me that Glorfindel of Imladris and Glorfindel of Gondolin were not the same elf! 
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Maram68
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| Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2004 10:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Moralanqua wrote: | | Can we bash Eowyn now? I likes Arwen. She had class. |
Hmmmm ... excuse me, Mora-love, but NO!
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slydog
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| Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2004 10:17 pm Post subject: |
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of course glorfindel is glorfindel.
next ur gonna try and say finduilas aifaelivrin and imrahils sister were the same person even though they lived thousands of years apart and faelivrin was an elf!
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Moralanqua
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| Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2004 10:22 pm Post subject: |
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Why would i say that? Are there mullets involved? 
Maram - why not!?
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slydog
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and luthien an arwen were different
awen had this choice before her along with all that foreboding and fading and sea longing
luthien died before she was given her choice=last minute tragedy
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mullets are kinda cool... 
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| BittenBuggy wrote: | Well, I must say that I was more disapointed in Faramir's character than anything. He wasn't at all like he was in the book... :sob:
But I liked movie-Eowyn a lot better. She wasn't as whiney and feminist. I skipped over most of her parts in the book because it was embarassing to see her attach herself to Aragorn like that and literally beg to follow him. I just wanted to kick the stupid puppy! |
The subject of Eowyn is a little fuzzy for me....Although I do agree she isn't the puppydog she was in the book...an improvment. I disagree with her crying -takes a moment to count- at least four times!
If you notice in ROTK they stick in yet another shot of her standing outside weeping pitifully again...although they didn't have a close up shot...
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I know they were different but Arwen is still likened to her! 
Mullets are eeevil!  How can you say that! If Aikanar wasnt so damned spiffy regardless, i wouldnt worship him! I choose to ignore the mullet and angst. Thats how open minded i am.
Did i mention that Eowyn smells like horsepoop?
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Nobody has any love for the poor Shield Maiden of Rohan... *shakes head* 
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| Moralanqua wrote: | | Did i mention that Eowyn smells like horsepoop? |
Darling, all Rohirrim would have smelled like that.
Anyway, I agree with Queenoftheshire: there is a great improvement from Eowyn in the book to Eowyn in the movie, but certainly not enough.
If we think for a moment that this woman dressed up like a man and faced the Witchking of Angmar ... the character isn't fully developed neither in the book or the movie.
Yeah I thought her whiny too ...
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slydog
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| Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2004 7:36 am Post subject: |
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whereas arwen was fully developed for her niche.
Eowyn wasnt on the sidelines or representing an established theme i.e Elven twilight, therefore she needed in my opinion alot more exposition which she did not receive in the book or the movie.
my nerd to english dictionary says all the above means "I agree with maram68"
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| slydog wrote: | Seriously
whats with all the arwen bashing?
Babygirl didnt do notin wrong so y u all stressin?
Tolkien liked her... |
I think we need to remember we're discussing the *interpretations* of the characters and how they compare and work (or not) in movie vs. book.
You have to admit there were a few distinctly *Hollywoodian* subplots and tweaks to Arwen and others that aren't just non-cannon, but a little.... well either wrong or pointless. To explore Arwen's character is *our* job, the fanficcers and our readers, not those who were suppose to give us a visual wow by putting the book on screen.
I'm sorry, but my one thought about the whole *Arwen tied to Ring* thing was "Uhmm.. *Everyone*'s fate is tied to the Ring! If Frodo fails, everybody gets it, sooner or later!"
It just wasn't necessary, just like upping Aragorn's peril by throwing him off a cliff! No Aragorn = no King!
Ack.......
And back then *everybody* smelled! Ask any medievalist! Heck, ask anybody in any other part of the world where showering twice a day isn't the standard:) |
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slydog
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| Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2004 9:29 am Post subject: |
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ooooooooh yeah. and that arwens fate tied to the ring thing was the only arwen change i found hollywoodian. if arwen had actually struck one of those wraiths during the chase ...THAT would be hollywoodian. at least galadriel arwen and eowyn arent taking down dol guldur with mad kung fu skills and black leather...cringes...visualizes...shiny black leather 
ps hollywoodian is now a word thanks to silvermoonlady
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