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varialectio
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 Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2004 8:22 am Post subject: Grima Wormtongue's black hair. |
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| What is the significance of Grima Wormtongue's black hair, as he is portrayed in the films? Is it just to differentiate him from the blond-haired Rohirrim, or is it saying something about his ancestry (possible Dunlendish or Gondorian blood in him)? |
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I think it's one of those Hollywood things, to make the evil characters significantly different than all the other characters. Black usually personifies evil as well.
It's sort of easy to look and Grima and accuratly say that he doesn't have Theoden's best interests in mind.
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You do have to wonder though how someone who looked so obviously evil/ill-intentioned or even just sickly might get into a position of such influence. Theoden was no dotard until he came under that very influence, he would have *seen* this guy's differences. Just wondering....
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| SilverMoonLady wrote: | | Theoden was no dotard until he came under that very influence, he would have *seen* this guy's differences. Just wondering.... |
Now THERE's a plot bunny!!!! Grima climbing the Rohirric civil-service ranks, or, really, how he became Theoden's advisor and close enough to have such influence on him. Was it a plot from the beginning or did Saruman see a opportunity ripe for exploitation? -Or- Saruman might not even enter into it.
I'd love to see a fic exploring Grima's rise, and or twist. Maybe that's what you're planning, Varialectio?
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| queenoftheshire wrote: | | I think it's one of those Hollywood things, to make the evil characters significantly different than all the other characters. |
Then, again ... Boromir in the films is portrayed as blonde (and WHAT A BLOND!) while all the Gondorian people/extras are noticably dark-haired (even to the director's children who were previously blond Rohirrim children) and the Rohirrim are blond. Then they took pains to make blond Viggo Mortensen into a brunet for Aragorn.
I wouldn't read too much into Film appearance. Go to the text ... and where the text is silent on something, we've room to extrapolate.
What I get about Worm/Grima is that he was "a man of Rohan" as was his father. Nothing extraordinary in his lineage or appearance, just his actions and allegiance.
Don't base too much on the interpretation that is the movie.
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varialectio
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| Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2004 12:36 pm Post subject: |
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| NancyBrooke wrote: | Now THERE's a plot bunny!!!! Grima climbing the Rohirric civil-service ranks, or, really, how he became Theoden's advisor and close enough to have such influence on him. Was it a plot from the beginning or did Saruman see a opportunity ripe for exploitation? -Or- Saruman might not even enter into it.
I'd love to see a fic exploring Grima's rise, and or twist. Maybe that's what you're planning, Varialectio? |
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Well, actually I will. I'm having a brief flashback/recollection type thingie in my "Choice of Master Wormtongue" sequel, about Grima's rise to power as the King's councilor and his relationship with his father Galmod (not good at all). We also get to see how he got his name of Wormtongue. It's more Grima thinking about it rather than a real flashback.
I have a couple Grima-plot-bunnies running about. Fortunately they haven't mutated into nuzguls and ripped me to shreds... YET. |
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queenoftheshire
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| Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2004 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | Now THERE's a plot bunny!!!! Grima climbing the Rohirric civil-service ranks, or, really, how he became Theoden's advisor and close enough to have such influence on him. Was it a plot from the beginning or did Saruman see a opportunity ripe for exploitation? -Or- Saruman might not even enter into it.
I'd love to see a fic exploring Grima's rise, and or twist. Maybe that's what you're planning, Varialectio? |
I believe I posted something like that on the Plot Bunny Forum! Hmmm...
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