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sheraiah
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| Scribe wrote: | | dolarabee wrote: | | Halfwest wrote: | | HEROES HAVE SCREWY CHILDHOODS |
Well, darn it, mom. That must make me a heroine. 
Or doesn't it go the other way too?
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If this were the case then my mum would have made me Xena Princess FXXXING warrior!!
No... i don't have issues.......  |
I think your mother and my mother should do lunch. They seem to have much in common.  |
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Oracle
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| Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2003 11:28 pm Post subject: |
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| I think Lurtz is underappreciated. Just because he's a big, nicely ugly, violent, dirty Uruk-Hai doesn't mean he's not very cool. I almost never see fics about him, so I wrote a story for him myself. |
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Gaslight
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| Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2003 6:39 am Post subject: |
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| Oracle wrote: | | I think Lurtz is underappreciated. Just because he's a big, nicely ugly, violent, dirty Uruk-Hai doesn't mean he's not very cool. I almost never see fics about him, so I wrote a story for him myself. |
Oooh, same here! I was sick of big, dumb uruk-hai in fics and so I gave Lurtz a brain and a voice that said things halfway intelligently. It was fun! You must know the archive uruk-hai.org if you're a pervy uruk fancier! That, and BondageOrc's site. "Lurtz in Love" is a classic! |
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Oracle
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| Actually, I never knew about that site till now. Visited it, read Lurtz in Love and laughed myself silly. Thanks! |
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odovacar1
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At least one member of the Fellowship's mother is alive and appears in the books. Esmeralda Brandybuck makes a brief appearance at Bilbo's farewell party.
I also think Pippin's mother Eglantine is likely alive at the time of the book's events, but would agree that Bell Gamgee's absence is more conspicuous. |
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Vulgarweed
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Oh, so, so many! Well, I already wrote my spirited defense of Tom Bombadil in the 'Favorite Races' thread, so I'll leave him out, but...
Melkor, Melkor, Melkor. The Silmarillion is really all about him, isn't it? I wrote in a feedback to Andreth a while back (whose Sauron in "A Veiled Light" is still plausibly nasty and untrustworthy while also being a fascinating hottie) that evil characters are not necessarily static characters--just like the characters who start out "good" and stay that way, evil characters have their own story arcs, their own doubts and dramas and personal accounts of how they got where they are. I'm really interested in that--my Nine Muses ain't the Fellowship, capiche? 
Other Valar. Aulë and Yavanna, that artistic married couple whose 'creations' tend to destroy each other (and note that Aulë jumped the 'creation' gun in a very dangerous way; he just got away with it because, unlike Melkor, he said he was sorry; note you can't trust his Maiar in the dark either). Ossë, who wasn't sure for a while what side he was on. Manwë, that Eru-likes-me-best windbag. Nienna! Námo! Fascinating!
Ents and Entwives. The story of Beren and Lúthien doesn't make me cry, but Treebeard and Fimbrethil do. Somebody give them some closure, please! (And imagine events in M-e told from an Entish POV). And what about the Huorns?
Nerdanel, that sculptor/artist who got something close to the first Elven divorce. What was her artwork like? How did she feel about her husband stealing all the thunder and making such a mess of it? Why did she give up so much to produce so many sons? What about her relationships with Mahtan, Aulë, Nienna? |
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PoweroftheBook
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| Quote: | | Nerdanel, that sculptor/artist who got something close to the first Elven divorce. What was her artwork like? How did she feel about her husband stealing all the thunder and making such a mess of it? Why did she give up so much to produce so many sons? What about her relationships with Mahtan, Aulë, Nienna? |
Yay! Someone else who thinks that a bess of the House of Feanor would be someone quite unordinary. (Although she technically only married into the House of Feanor - wasn't actually a blood Feanorian) I remember reading somewhere in Morgoth's Ring that when Feanor and Nerdanel announced that they were to wed, many Elves wondered at this, because Nerdanel was not among the fairest of their kind. Shows that even Elves can be shallow.
As to my favorite overlooked character, I like the figure of Ioreth of the Houses of Healing most. There's so much hinted at in The Return of the King about her life that make her highly interesting - she's not originally of Minas Tirith, she has kinswomen there and is obviously fond of Faramir, she was the only one who dared speak during Aragorn's triumphant coronation. Quite a step above the literary standard of the 'cranky old wise woman' kept in the background until needed for critical dialogue or information.
(As a side note, an author on FF Net wrote an 'assassin-yet-emotionally-vulnerable-girl falls into Middle Earth', and amazingly, the author knew of Ioreth. However, when Ioreth was reduced to an antagonizer of the brave heroine through verbal abuse with extremely poor language that Ioreth does not possess, I thought I was going to spit nails. ("I't jest ain't fittin' ah tells ye, fer a strenger ta be sittin' with us good folks.")
Even the background characters aren't spared. 
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SilverMoonLady
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Re: Moms
Actually, we really don't know the fate of most of the moms in question (for the members of the Fellowship) aside from Aragorn, Boromir and Frodo. They are all however indeed rather absent from the writings, Legolas and Gimli's mothers not even named, much less referred to... I'd much rather think some of these people had a 'normal' familial setting, just by the law of percentages.
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Vulgarweed
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Re: Moms
DO we know for 100%-certain-sure that Glóin was Gimli's father??
I mean, we know what Bilbo and all the historians assumed, but remember, Dwarves are secretive....  |
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limegreensloth
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[quote="PoweroftheBook"] | Quote: | | (As a side note, an author on FF Net wrote an 'assassin-yet-emotionally-vulnerable-girl falls into Middle Earth', and amazingly, the author knew of Ioreth. However, when Ioreth was reduced to an antagonizer of the brave heroine through verbal abuse with extremely poor language that Ioreth does not possess, I thought I was going to spit nails. ("I't jest ain't fittin' ah tells ye, fer a strenger ta be sittin' with us good folks.") |
Ugh, and I thought finding Ioreth/OFC slash was weird. But then again, at least that was well written and interesting.
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Scribe
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| Roisin wrote: | Well there's Melia from Far Harad, too.
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Alright, alright, I'm just going to have to get back to writing more Melia stories aren't i?
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Mitasova
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I like Ioreth very much too. She's so often used for comic relief that it's easily overlooked that she's smart and very courageous woman. And independent-thinking, too. Plus, among all those high-and-mighty warlords her down-to-earth demeanor is indeed refreshing. I love Ioreth.
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SilverMoonLady
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| Vulgarweed wrote: | Re: Moms
DO we know for 100%-certain-sure that Glóin was Gimli's father??
I mean, we know what Bilbo and all the historians assumed, but remember, Dwarves are secretive.... |
*grin* I think we can probably be rather certain of that! Everything else is up for grabs
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Roisin
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| Scribe wrote: | | Roisin wrote: | Well there's Melia from Far Harad, too.
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Alright, alright, I'm just going to have to get back to writing more Melia stories aren't i?
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Hey, only if you really want to.
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JaneDoe
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| Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2004 12:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Vulgarweed wrote: | | Nerdanel, that sculptor/artist who got something close to the first Elven divorce. What was her artwork like? How did she feel about her husband stealing all the thunder and making such a mess of it? Why did she give up so much to produce so many sons? What about her relationships with Mahtan, Aulë, Nienna? |
From Morgoth's Ring (and I'm paraphrasing here), it seems that Nerdanel had a variety of styles, from lifelike realism to highly abstract.
As far as whom I think are underappreciated, my vote goes to Southrons, especially those from Far Harad. Since my cultural heritage is not northern Europe, I've always been interested in what the non-Western (in the Tolkienesque sense) people were like. I know that we get an image of savagery and stupidity from the books, but that may just be from a Gondorian point of view. |
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