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phoenixqueen

Joined: 15 Apr 2004 Posts: 61 Location: Florida
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Posted: Tue May 04, 2004 9:33 am Post subject: |
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*eyes widen* I almost don't want to know how everyone got onto this topic, but its been...interesting for me to hear so many different viewpoints. See, I'm a Christian and as such, I just oppose any same-sex pairing or incest on the principles of it. Not to insult anyone, that's just my personal opinion, and since I can't stand it in RL, I have a problem reading it in fanfiction (or any fiction) too.
There is only ONE exception that I have made, and that is "The Last Herald-Mage" trilogy by Mercedes Lackey. Even though the main character is gay, I overlook it because he is otherwise a very well-rounded character, and you can feel for him. I wasn't happy with the fact that he is gay, but it's a very little problem when you look at the over-all emotional aspect of the character. Plus there is nothing that is explicit, so it makes it kind of easy to forget that the character is gay. If that makes me a hypocrite, oh well.
I was reading some fanfiction the other day, and I came up with another pet-peeve that I have. I tend not to read stories where the entire chapter is run together in one long paragraph. Since I do a lot of beta-reading and editing for others, I can't stand that. To me, it says that the author was more concerned with typing random words and not with making certain that their story could be easily read by other people. *shrugs*
I have absolutely no problem with AU or crossover fics, in fact I tend to enjoy those most of all, because that's when the author can get really creative.
Although, I was wondering...can anyone give me some tricks to reading "The Silmarillion"? I've been trying to read it for the past year, but I can't ever get past the Valaquenta part. I've been dying to read it, but I am struggling with it. Is there anything that some of you do that helps you get past the very formal language?
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Thuriniel
Joined: 29 Jul 2003 Posts: 665 Location: Watching the purple sky fly over me ...
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Posted: Tue May 04, 2004 10:09 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | I was wondering...can anyone give me some tricks to reading "The Silmarillion"? |
The Sil is a hard one to read ... I read it last year and only out of stuborness. There is a Silmarillion book club going on right now in the forum http://www.openscrolls.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=524, and I think it helps immensely when you read with other people and discuss the chapters as a group. We are discussing right now "Of Aule and Yavanna", so you can still catch up!
You could also read BittenBuggy's "The Silmarillion in 30 pages or less"
http://www.openscrolls.net/fanfic/story.php?no=530
It's a pretty handy guide when you're lost and don't know if you even want to continue ! _________________ ~ boe an phân pedi ‘lam dadui ~
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sindohte

Joined: 13 May 2003 Posts: 1621 Location: Rubbing up against an Elf
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Posted: Tue May 04, 2004 11:09 am Post subject: |
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| phoenixqueen wrote: | Although, I was wondering...can anyone give me some tricks to reading "The Silmarillion"? I've been trying to read it for the past year, but I can't ever get past the Valaquenta part. I've been dying to read it, but I am struggling with it. Is there anything that some of you do that helps you get past the very formal language?
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Let me just put in a plug for the Silmarillion reading group that is taking place over in the Books forum. It is a good place to pester BB and Andreth, who seem to be two of the resident Silm experts. _________________ abandon thought, and let the dream descend... |
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BittenBuggy

Joined: 27 Dec 2003 Posts: 2108 Location: Busy Being the Queen Of Everything.. And Trying to Catch the Yoda-Copter
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Posted: Tue May 04, 2004 11:51 am Post subject: |
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*Basks in the Silmarillion glow*
Nah, I do absolutly LOVE the book though. If I could only read one thing, for the rest of my life, man that would be it... *sigh* And yes, the first few chapters are hard to get into, but once you get past that to the elfie parts its so much better! (Look who doesn't sound like a Silm expert)
I don't make any sense today. I'll come back later when I can be more articulate  _________________ -The Queen of Everything - so dubed by Aerin
-"My ultimate fantasy is to entice a man to my bedroom, put a gun to his head and say, 'Make babies or die'."
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Anna

Joined: 29 Jan 2004 Posts: 548 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Wed May 05, 2004 4:23 am Post subject: |
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Oh yes, welcome over to the Silm reading group! It´s so much fun! You really should read The Silmarillion, phoenixqueen. Silm is absolutely great! But, yes, it can be a bit difficult to get into at first. Listen to BB; when you get to the elfie parts it´s ALL good! Well, I´m a convinced PEF, so all elfie parts are good parts...
One thing you can do to get past the formal language is to start reading it out loud to yourself. Then you´ll hear the beautiful rhythm and it´s a lot easier to follow. Before you know it you´ve stopped reading it out loud and begun focusing solely on the wonderful story. It always helped me the first times I read it!
I hope we´ll hear from you in the reading group! |
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Hathor

Joined: 09 Jun 2003 Posts: 346 Location: Lancashire, England
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Posted: Wed May 05, 2004 9:42 am Post subject: |
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| phoenixqueen wrote: | | Not to insult anyone, that's just my personal opinion, and since I can't stand it in RL, I have a problem reading it in fanfiction (or any fiction) too. |
Really? See, incest to me is, well, wrong, on many many levels. But as BB said, Elf Twincest is a surprisingly pretty option to me.
| phoenixqueen wrote: | | I wasn't happy with the fact that he is gay, but it's a very little problem when you look at the over-all emotional aspect of the character. Plus there is nothing that is explicit, so it makes it kind of easy to forget that the character is gay. If that makes me a hypocrite, oh well. |
Well... obviously, you dislike samesex pairings, which does weird some people out, but perhaps it's not that the character is gay that makes the difference? Doesn't normally define a personality, just sexual preferences. After all... I had a Christian friend who told me that there wasn't a problem in being gay, as long as you didn't engage in it. Something like that. And since in Tolkien no character is defined as gay, I suppose fiction isn't too bad, right?
| phoenixqueen wrote: | | I was reading some fanfiction the other day, and I came up with another pet-peeve that I have. I tend not to read stories where the entire chapter is run together in one long paragraph. Since I do a lot of beta-reading and editing for others, I can't stand that. To me, it says that the author was more concerned with typing random words and not with making certain that their story could be easily read by other people. *shrugs* |
Oh, god, I hate that! Totally agree. _________________ ~Hathor~
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Andreth
Joined: 24 Oct 2003 Posts: 1211
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Posted: Wed May 05, 2004 10:11 am Post subject: |
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Same-sex pairings don't bother me in fiction or in real life. My best friend is gay and I wouldn't trade him for the world. And I would rather read a well-written slash story than a poorly-written het story.
In fiction, just as in real life, it's not whether or not a character is gay that makes them good or bad, it's how they're put together as a person. Unfortunately people tend to forget that sometimes. |
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Panneth

Joined: 10 Jun 2003 Posts: 0 Location: Manchester/London
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Posted: Wed May 05, 2004 11:04 am Post subject: |
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| Andreth wrote: | | Same-sex pairings don't bother me in fiction or in real life. My best friend is gay and I wouldn't trade him for the world. And I would rather read a well-written slash story than a poorly-written het story. |
Same here. I don't know what I'd do without my best friend. _________________ ~ Emma |
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BittenBuggy

Joined: 27 Dec 2003 Posts: 2108 Location: Busy Being the Queen Of Everything.. And Trying to Catch the Yoda-Copter
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Posted: Wed May 05, 2004 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Andreth wrote: | Same-sex pairings don't bother me in fiction or in real life. My best friend is gay and I wouldn't trade him for the world. And I would rather read a well-written slash story than a poorly-written het story.
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Same here. Hubby is even gay.. well, bisexual. I'm way on the opposite end of the spectrum as far as what I think of gay people.
They're great, and pretty.  _________________ -The Queen of Everything - so dubed by Aerin
-"My ultimate fantasy is to entice a man to my bedroom, put a gun to his head and say, 'Make babies or die'."
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Hathor

Joined: 09 Jun 2003 Posts: 346 Location: Lancashire, England
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Posted: Thu May 06, 2004 3:59 am Post subject: |
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| Andreth wrote: | | In fiction, just as in real life, it's not whether or not a character is gay that makes them good or bad, it's how they're put together as a person. Unfortunately people tend to forget that sometimes. |
If more people would think like that, the world would be a nicer place.
Gah, that sounds trite, doesn't it?
Put it this way - if someone would get that through Bush's skull, then I might finally realise my plans of moving to America. _________________ ~Hathor~
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SilverMoonLady

Joined: 14 Jul 2003 Posts: 1201 Location: Breaking in a Brandybuck... *wicked grin*
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Posted: Thu May 06, 2004 7:25 am Post subject: |
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Put it this way - if someone would get that through Bush's skull, then I might finally realise my plans of moving to America. |
And some of us might stop looking at Canada and/or Europe with such increasing fondness  _________________ Suffering an again off again connection with life...
The joy of motherhood: what a woman experiences when all the kids are in bed.
*local PHF union rep* *tart of the week*
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Andreth
Joined: 24 Oct 2003 Posts: 1211
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Posted: Thu May 06, 2004 12:23 pm Post subject: |
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While there are many things I'd like to put through Bush's skull, tolerant ideals haven't been among them yet. Besides, it would be a waste of time. I think he's allergic to them. As a nation we regressed about 40 years both economically and socially when he took office.
And Silvermoon Lady, you read my mind! My husband and I have been plotting our escape to Canada for the last few years. Socialism looks really good right about now. And I miss Victoria in the summertime. Beautiful place.
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SilverMoonLady

Joined: 14 Jul 2003 Posts: 1201 Location: Breaking in a Brandybuck... *wicked grin*
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Posted: Thu May 06, 2004 2:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Andreth wrote: | While there are many things I'd like to put through Bush's skull, tolerant ideals haven't been among them yet. Besides, it would be a waste of time. I think he's allergic to them. As a nation we regressed about 40 years both economically and socially when he took office.
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No kidding! Someone had a lovely rant about the "Golden days" of the 50's... It was on Witchvox, in the Wren's Nest articles:) I'll dig up the title:) It's funny and frightening regarding the perils of certain persons' idealizations of that time and the call to return to then... One fun fact: a frightening number of people were on valium at the time, and we're talking housewives and 'well-adjusted' men
Take me back to ME!!!!!!!!!! They'd quietly run me out of town or burn me at the stake in 1950s USA  _________________ Suffering an again off again connection with life...
The joy of motherhood: what a woman experiences when all the kids are in bed.
*local PHF union rep* *tart of the week*
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Hathor

Joined: 09 Jun 2003 Posts: 346 Location: Lancashire, England
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Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 6:18 am Post subject: |
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| Andreth wrote: | While there are many things I'd like to put through Bush's skull, tolerant ideals haven't been among them yet. Besides, it would be a waste of time. I think he's allergic to them. As a nation we regressed about 40 years both economically and socially when he took office. |
To quote from Good Omens... "It'll be the end of the world! All the higher life forms, gone! There'll be nothing left except cockroaches and fundamentalists..."
Definitely take me to ME! _________________ ~Hathor~
Owner of 'Just Another Hole' and Lindir, The Pretty Noldo Totty
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Strider
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I implore you all to please read the play "when Shakespeare's Ladie's meet" and think about what the Shakespeare purists thought about it... just food for thought. _________________ Seal of the King of Gondor and the Commander in Chief of the Dunedain Rangers |
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