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Viv
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| sindohte wrote: | | Legolas mother - Undying Lands |
Where did you find this interesting bit o info? I've been wondering for a while whatever happened to Lego's mum, but the books I've read haven't really mentioned Mrs. Thranduil. Any help here would be appreciated.  |
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Roisin
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| Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2003 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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Hm, did we make that up or did we get it from somewhere? I can't remember. 
Anyway, she doesn't seem to actually be around.
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sindohte
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| Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2003 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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Viv,
I'll have to check through a few books and see what I can turn up. I do think that I actually read somewhere about the fate of Legolas' mother, but then again it might be a caffeine induced fantasy.  Because what I thought I read someplace was that his mother departed for the Undying Lands shortly after his birth due to some type of nonspecific female problem related to Legolas' delivery. As to whether that is accurate of not, I will have to do some research to either prove that I am indeed sane and know what I'm talking about or I'm just making up crap as I go along 
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Halfwest
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| Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2003 5:58 pm Post subject: |
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You forgot: Sam's mother... notoriously absent from any of Sam's memories or details of his family life. She is simply never mentioned. My theory: she died when Sam was very young. There is a strange screw-up in Tolkien's dates... where once he says that Sam's sister Marigold is three years younger, where another place they are listed as having been born in the same year. Twins? Probably not.
But this is something I've noticed before. HEROES HAVE SCREWY CHILDHOODS, usually consisting of either abusive or absent parents. Think about it. It isn't just the ones in this book and I don't think people realize it, but most heroes have led VERY troubling childhoods.
Snow White.... Cinderella... Oedipus... King Arthur... I'd list them for pages but I have homework to do... It's an eerie pattern.
I think none of the characters in Tolkien's writings got enough love as children.
All the more reason to coddle them now.
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Scribe
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| Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2003 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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| sindohte wrote: | Viv,
I'll have to check through a few books and see what I can turn up. I do think that I actually read somewhere about the fate of Legolas' mother, but then again it might be a caffeine induced fantasy. Because what I thought I read someplace was that his mother departed for the Undying Lands shortly after his birth due to some type of nonspecific female problem related to Legolas' delivery. As to whether that is accurate of not, I will have to do some research to either prove that I am indeed sane and know what I'm talking about or I'm just making up crap as I go along
sindohte |
Its not from Easterling is it? Because I wrote something along the lines of Legolas' mum never recovering from his birth, hence percipitating her departure to the Undying Lands. I made it up because I could find no information on her and it seemed like a good idea at the time  because I wanted to show that Thranduil was a good dad whose had to raise Legolas entirely on his own.
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| Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2003 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Roisin wrote: | | Well there's Melia from Far Harad, too. |
And she would be....? |
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Scribe
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| Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2003 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Gaslight wrote: | | Roisin wrote: | | Well there's Melia from Far Harad, too. |
And she would be....? |
That would be from my story Easterling.....it appears a lot of people have taken to this OFC, much to my surprise. |
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Roisin
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| Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2003 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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Oopsie, we may have gotten that from Easterling after it lodged in our collective unconscious.
Well, she doesn't seem to be around and that sounds like a good explanation for her absence.......  If she's not in Mirkwood she's either dead or in Valinor.
I think people like Melia b/c she was different from the run of the mill OFC....she had an actual history that didn't involve her being dropped into Mirkwood with no memory. I first read that story after coming off a very bad run of fanfic.net stories about amnesic girls singing to flowers. 
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Scribe
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| Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2003 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Roisin wrote: | Oopsie, we may have gotten that from Easterling after it lodged in our collective unconscious.
Well, she doesn't seem to be around and that sounds like a good explanation for her absence....... If she's not in Mirkwood she's either dead or in Valinor.
I think people like Melia b/c she was different from the run of the mill OFC....she had an actual history that didn't involve her being dropped into Mirkwood with no memory. I first read that story after coming off a very bad run of fanfic.net stories about amnesic girls singing to flowers.
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Singing to flowers!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why did I create Melia....let me think. Oh yes, I read a story where Legolas turned up in the modern world speaking English, in some girl's bedroom. She manages to hide him in her room and romance ensues....
After that I decided to right Easterling but didn't want to do a Leggie romance straight away, so I wrote Daughter of Rivendell first to get a feel for Middle earth and some of the canon characters, wrote Melia in to interact wit them because I'm sick of this he just meets and fall in love with her and marries in one story!
Who has a real relationship that has lasted that can be compressed into a usually twenty page story? |
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sindohte
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| Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2003 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Scribe wrote: | [Its not from Easterling is it? Because I wrote something along the lines of Legolas' mum never recovering from his birth, hence percipitating her departure to the Undying Lands. I made it up because I could find no information on her and it seemed like a good idea at the time because I wanted to show that Thranduil was a good dad whose had to raise Legolas entirely on his own.
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Well I am pleased that the source of my information re: Legolas' mother was closer than I suspected As everyone can obviously tell, I really liked Scribe's explanation of Legolas' absentee mother. It just makes sense logically and fills in the gap left by Tolkien. Although he did an awesome job creating the world of Middle Earth, he left some holes that needed to filled.
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| Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2003 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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All of my favorite lesser characters come from The Silmarillion, rather than LotR.
I'd like to see more of Nellas...I'm sure she taught Turin more than Sindarin.  Yes, that's me in the gutter.
There is also the Forgotten Sons of Feanor, which include Maglor and Caranthir.... Well, mostly Maglor. He probably didn't appear much because he was the sanest of the lot of them. Oh well.
As for Thranduil, well, I'd much rather learn more about Oropher.
-Lily, resident newbie.
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| Halfwest wrote: | | HEROES HAVE SCREWY CHILDHOODS |
Well, darn it, mom. That must make me a heroine.
Or doesn't it go the other way too?
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Tripsoverhercats
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| Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2003 10:51 pm Post subject: |
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It may just be me, but I always got the impression that Legolas was the only elf of his people to go to the Undying Lands, the rest (including Thranduil) refused to go.
Thranduil and Mirkwood elves have always in my mind been the "source" of the folk under the hill legends, that thousands of years later, a person might accidentally wander into the woods, and see the wood-elves dance, or stumble upon a wild hunt.
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sheraiah
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| Tripsoverhercats wrote: | It may just be me, but I always got the impression that Legolas was the only elf of his people to go to the Undying Lands, the rest (including Thranduil) refused to go.
Thranduil and Mirkwood elves have always in my mind been the "source" of the folk under the hill legends, that thousands of years later, a person might accidentally wander into the woods, and see the wood-elves dance, or stumble upon a wild hunt. |
Lovely thought for all of us, but very sad for Legolas. Too bad the Professor never said what happened. |
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Scribe
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| Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2003 11:29 pm Post subject: |
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| dolarabee wrote: | | Halfwest wrote: | | HEROES HAVE SCREWY CHILDHOODS |
Well, darn it, mom. That must make me a heroine.
Or doesn't it go the other way too?
do. |
If this were the case then my mum would have made me Xena Princess FXXXING warrior!!
No... i don't have issues.......  |
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