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inglor
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Thanks for the unsolicited rec, Haleth 
SMut SMut SMUT, GIVE ME SMUT, 
 Not really, depends on the mood and time. If i'm feeling the need, I look for PWP. But I REALLY enjoy longer character driven fics where the smut has meaning. The smut is much more satisfying when you identify with the characters. So, whether it's a quick thrashing in the broom closet or household marathon at the end of a thousand year romance, I like reading two (or more...) folks making the beast with two backs.
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Haleth
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| Posted: Mon May 17, 2004 2:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Viv wrote: | | Haleth wrote: | | For a staunch purist, Laws and Customs applies. The extension of this is that for the elves, sex has a deeply spiritual meaning. It's an interesting concept, but one which is often either ignored or explained away in the a PWP of any style, het, gen or slash. |
Only for elves, right? I mean, LACE does not apply to Men, Dwarves, Hobbits, Orcs, or Dragons. It doesn't even apply to Valar, necessarily, or even to Nandoran or Avari elves. That document explains merely the laws and customs of the Eldar, specifically the Noldor, Vanyar, and some Sindar.
Which means that Boromir naked violates no Tolkien code of ethics that I can think of. (And that's a happy thought.) |
Thanks, Viv. Now I'm almost completely distracted by the idea of naked Boromir.
And the comment about dragons set lose an evil plot bunny about Ancalgon the Black's harem (none of whom know about the others until they all meet afterwards) mourning his death.
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Thuriniel
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| sindohte wrote: | | From the response that I have seen so far on this particular thread, it seems like there are people who enjoy reading both genres as well. This proves to me that OSA is not some den of inquity populated by people who only read smut. Instead it is a place that accepts all genres of LOTR fanfic and any place that practices acceptance is somewhere I want to be. |
Exactly! Both are good! It depends on the mood you're in! I must confess that when I was introduced to fanfiction I was only interested on the romance/smut arena. But as I studied and became more acquainted with all the history and mythology behind the books, I started reading other fics that were not smut oriented.
I still tend to go for the elf-centric romance section and if it's NC-17 even better, but I have definitely developed a taste, appreciation, and admiration for any well-written fic that calls my attention.
And I don't considered myself member of a den of iniquity for liking a good steamy scene once in a while ... come on ... they're fun and surprisingly satisfying !
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Haleth
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| Posted: Mon May 17, 2004 2:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Vulgarweed wrote: | Also, since when do "laws and customs" = actual behavior?
Maybe for the Eldar more often than for us, but still.  |
It all depends on how the individual decides to interpret LACE. Unless someone can figure out a way to contact JRR Tolkien and ask him, there's no definite right or wrong way to interpret the document.
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Haleth
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| Posted: Mon May 17, 2004 2:18 pm Post subject: |
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| sindohte wrote: |
It is late and maybe I am tired, but it sounds like you are saying that all popular fanfics with romantic or sexual material is automatically going to be poorly written. By extension it would seem to assume that anyone who reviews a story of this nature is willing to give it a glowing review, no matter how poorly written it might be. And in contrast writers who prefer to focus on non-sexual subjects are better writers, but lack an audience that is discriminating enough to enjoy their work.
I certainly won't argue that it is frustrating for any author to put time and effort into their writing but not get the recognition that they hope for and that their writing may actually merit. Every writer wants feedback and perhaps even a bit of adulation. However, I certainly like to think that any story that I review, whether it is serious in tone or romantic/erotic in nature, it still meets the minimal standard of at least being a good story, if not an outstanding example of its genre. I don't automatically give out praise to a PWP just because Part A was stuck into Part B, anymore than I would automatically praise someone for writing a serious story. |
That's not what I meant at all. There are very well written fics out there with romantic themes and smut. But there are a lot of not as well written fics that are extremely popular, likely because of the current popularity of the characters used in the story. What I didn't mention, and what probably caused the confusion, was that I wasn't refering to fics posted in this archive.
However, sadly enough there are an awful lot of extremely well written fics that do not seem to be widely read because the subject matter doesn't appeal to the broader audience. And romance fics do tend to be more popular, simply because a lot of people enjoy reading them. It isn't just here. Go into any bookstore and compare the size of the romance section with the size of the biographical section. It's just the way things are. There's no right or wrong attached to it and certainly no value judgement.
So if the romance fics tend to be more popular on OSA, it's simply reflecting a wider trend in society.
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Viv
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| Posted: Mon May 17, 2004 2:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Haleth wrote: | | And the comment about dragons set lose an evil plot bunny about Ancalgon the Black's harem (none of whom know about the others until they all meet afterwards) mourning his death. |
I am salaciously looking forward to that fic.  |
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Haleth
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| Posted: Wed May 19, 2004 5:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Viv wrote: | | Haleth wrote: | | And the comment about dragons set lose an evil plot bunny about Ancalgon the Black's harem (none of whom know about the others until they all meet afterwards) mourning his death. |
I am salaciously looking forward to that fic. |
Eeep! 
I am notoriously awful at writing smut.
Ok, idea, get thee to the bunnery!
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Andreth
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I think ultimately smut catches a bad rap because of all the trash that's churned out in the name of romance and sex. Sometimes it seems like some writers feel if the story has sex, then that's all that matters. Plot and characterization fall to the wayside. A PWP doesn't necessarily have to be lacking in everything but sex. I've seen some PWPs that managed to pack a lot into one or two chapters and had enjoyable sex combined with enjoyable characters and even a loose plot that at least has a beginning, middle and end.
Smut doesn't always equal poor writing and serious fic doesn't always equal sexless, philosophical writing. I think most of us are trying to find a middle ground between the two.
I just tried my hand at writing full-on sex scenes for my Village story and have discovered that writing a workable sex scene is a hell of a lot harder than I thought it would be. Of course, I probably could have chosen an easier character than Annatar to start out with. But I certainly have a newfound respect for writers of great sex scenes.
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sindohte
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| Posted: Thu May 20, 2004 2:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Andreth wrote: | I just tried my hand at writing full-on sex scenes for my Village story and have discovered that writing a workable sex scene is a hell of a lot harder than I thought it would be. Of course, I probably could have chosen an easier character than Annatar to start out with. But I certainly have a newfound respect for writers of great sex scenes.
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What I find makes a sex scene hard to write is that it involves two people engaged in a physical activity. I also struggle at times with which point of view to write the scene from guy vs. girl. You also don't want to make it boring or too methodical by describing each step, but you don't want clothing to just magically disappear unless you are a certain maia who hasn't been laid in a while.  Let me just say, you have been doing a great job with Annatar so far. And at some point you will have to explain what form he was using to have sex when he was in Barad Dur. Inquiring minds want to know.
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Vulgarweed
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At least in het, (as opposed to slash), pronouns are not your enemy!
Which form was Annatar using? Why, he should use 'em all! If you've got it, flaunt it. (It's not really bestiality if he's a shape-shifter--I swear, Mom, they told me that in sex ed!) |
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Ellbee
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| Posted: Fri May 21, 2004 9:14 am Post subject: |
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| Vulgarweed wrote: | At least in het, (as opposed to slash), pronouns are not your enemy!
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You ain't kidding. I recently took the dive into slash, with a threesome no less, and if it ends up being even marginally intelligible I'll feel successful.
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BittenBuggy
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| Posted: Fri May 21, 2004 9:24 am Post subject: |
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Ack! I wrote slash PWPs (ALL elves dammit... which made it even worse) before I wrote ANYTHING het, so imagne my shock when I discovered het was about 20 million times easier as far as description. It was all downhill from there
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Andreth
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| Posted: Fri May 21, 2004 3:23 pm Post subject: |
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| sindohte wrote: | | And at some point you will have to explain what form he was using to have sex when he was in Barad Dur. Inquiring minds want to know. |
Thanks for the vote of confidence, Sind. Much appreciated. I'll just keep working on improving my smut vocabulary.
As for what form the big guy used in Barad Dur, my lips are sealed. Mostly cause I haven't figured it out yet. Besides, I'm saving that for my veiled light story. I just haven't figured out how much angst and torture I'm going to put poor Ilmare through while she's in Mordor. Fortunately she's still in the Second Age, so I've got plenty of time to figure it out by the end of the Third Age. Maybe by then I'll be brave enough with sex scenes to use Vulgarweed's example. The idea of a giant snake sounds pretty tempting .... 
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