[BittenBuggy]

Ok guys, we all know who are favourites are, but who in Tolkien's books can't you stand? Personally I have issues with Ingwe and Mîm.

Ingwe because... I'm not sure, he's just so boring to me. And Mîm becuase he just irritates the hell out of me, the interfering little bugger....

[Andreth]

Turin - nobody can be that freaking clueless. And he does all this stupid stuff and then ends being considered a hero anyway? He's always seemed more dumbass than angsty to me.

And I wouldn't have minded giving Mim a few boots in the ass, either, now that you mention it....

[BittenBuggy]

Yay! Another Mim-severly-disliker! I'm so happy I'm not the only one...

[Hathor]

Don't hurt me...

... but Frodo.

I'm not sure why. I think it's the continual whining that just irritates me... particularly in Mordor. When I get objective, I do realise that it's a terrible burden, really, but when I read it I just want to give him a kick up the arse and also give Sam a hug.

*hides in the corner* I'm sorry!

[Mara]

The Vanyar. I just don´t understand why this people is wiser, fairer, stronger of mind and spirit, etc; in one word, better, than the other Eldar, just for being always near the Valar (Feänor called them something like "the lap dogs of the Valar", and for once I agree with that arrogant nutcase ). I think they are boring, closed-minded and utterly uninteresting.

And yes, a lot of powerful elf lords like Galadriel and Finrod were half Vanyar, but I believe that the point here is not the vanyarin heritage, but the vanyarin heritage MIXED with the Noldorin one. Think about elven lords of vanyarin pure blood, like Ingwe or Indis; think about the whole Vanyar people. The Teler were ship makers and masters of the sea, travellers and musicians. The Noldor, well, they were masters in all craftmanship, they where the first ones to create a writing, and so on... But I can´t remember a single thing in which the Vanyar were outstanding, except being incredibly fair and blondes and supposedly wiser.

Bleh.

Mara

[inglor]

Andreth, I'm begining to really like you,
Turin. I...HATE...TURIN
worthlesscockypunkincestuousstupidhardheadedjackass

I can't tell you haow many arguments I've gotten into about him on other boards. I get riled just thinking about him.

Wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire.

Salagant gets my vote too


In defense of the Vanyar:
Someone wrote a fic about just that. Very plausible and logical.
Vanyar were first to awaken and had to learn everything with no teachers, had to find out the hard way about the bad things in the world. Imagine being in a strange place seeing a new creature and you don't know how to react. Is it nice, is it mean. Only when it eats your best friend or takes them off to Utumno to be tortured into an orc do you figure out that it is not nice. Think about the way most religions treat the afterlife, given the chance, would you go to heaven if you and all your friends were going and wouldn't you be ever so thankful?
Noldor and Teleri awoke with teachers and protectors. Not to mention those born in Valinor (Feanor, etc) had NO IDEA about the perils of ME and all the bad things that could happen there. Feanor got off easy, yeah he died a fiery death but think about Maedhros and all the Noldor who became Morgoth's slaves as a result of following him.

Here endeth the rant

Inglor

[GypsieRose]

[Mara]

It´s a wonder that Elves don´t spit on the ground at the mention of Túrin´s name. He´s responsible of the ruin of one of the most important elven kingdoms, Nargothrond, and brought nothing but disgrace to every elf and man who helped and/or loved him: Beleg, Finduilas, the Haladin, etc.

But it´s not only Túrin. Look at his family:

His mother and sister, as stubborn, arrogant and ungrateful as Túrin, fleeing from Doriath in the worst moment and getting lost in the wilderness. Nienor losing her memory and bedding, of all men, with his own brother. And Húrin, after twenty years of captivity in Angband, takes the Nauglamir to king Thingol and sets in motion the events that, eventually, will bring the king´s death and the ruin of Doriath.

I can´t believe all that was Morgoth´s fault. It is statistically impossible!

One last remark about the Vanyar:

[Moralanqua]

I have issues with Movie!Frodo. He bugs me. Hes much weaker than how I imagine my Book!Frodo.


Im also an Orodreth hater. WEAK!

[Haleth]

For me it's a tie between Turin's mother, Morwen, and Turin himself. Morgoth may have cursed Hurin's family, but that curse found very fertile ground in the stubborn pride and blind arrogance that both these characters displayed.

Did I mention the stupidity? What kind of an idiot keeps her daughter in enemy territory for 16 years and THEN realizes...gee...she might be a target for the lavicious attentions of the conqueror?

DUH!

As for the Vanyar, I have to disagree. The Vanyar were poets and singers. For Tolkien, who devoted his life to studying languages, this is a far higher calling that that of the scientist/inventor (Noldor) or the sailor/shipbuilder (Teleri). We actually don't know much about what the Vanyar did. As the first to awaken, they may have tried to protect the elves that remained asleep.

They participated in the War of Wrath, where they helped to smash Angband and Thangorodrim (and sink half a continent, but aside from that...). In short, they accomplished what Fingolfin and his host could not do. And there were fewer of them. They must have been very fierce warriors to have managed it.

They helped to build Tirion.

If they were guilty of anything, it was of being less proud and attached to the works of their own hands than the Noldor. The Noldor, for all their craft, were corruptible. The Vanyar were not.

[BittenBuggy]

Finarfin... as much of a Noldor-lover I am... Finarfin just bugs me in his 'pretty, girliness'

[GypsieRose]

[Mitasova]

Faramir. He's such a freaking Gary Stu, it's painful. He has neither personality nor character arc nor narrative purpose. And the talking. And the noble suffering. An everyone loves him, save crazy mean Denethor. Gah! Oh, and the character of Eowyn, one of my favourites, was utterly butchered with the single purpose of making the Wonder boy look even better *spits*. Yeah. Faramir is a scapegoat of mine. Sam's not much better though, with his unbelivable naivete and endless tears.
==

Tanya

[queenoftheshire]

It's a tie between Arwen and Frodo...

I'm not sure why, but Arwen has a very, very, very irritating personality and doesn't have a real purpose. It also might be because her character was completly blown out of preportion in the movies. I love the movies, but it makes her out to be this savior of the fellowship

Frodo...whine whine whine... you just want to put him out of his misery... I'm much more of a Samwise fan

[SilverMoonLady]

I have literally no opinion on book!Arwen, as we know very little of her, save her steadfast faith in Aragorn, but movie!Arwen annoyed the pants off me. Between the wreck they made of the character, the plotline and the rest, I just wanted her gone. Better nothing than the wrong thing in this case.
As far as the actual book characters...... wow.. I'd have to reread and research that. I rarely get annoyed with any given character except the obvious and disgusting Mary Sues, which there are none in LotR itself.
I do remember being rather turned off by Turin's tale when I read the it. Stupidity and arrogance just don't do it for me.