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Pechethu
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 Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 10:02 pm Post subject: Names. And AUs. The banes of my exisitence. |
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Ugh. I have a plot bunny that just won't let go. What if Aragorn had been born female?
I've actually got ideas stirring now for Munchkin!Female!Aragorn stories, but I need a name. Aragorn is just too masculine. He/She/It'll still be called Estel in Rivendell, but I need a name for him/her/it.
Any suggestions would be great as I have nil as of right now!
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ArwenUndomiel
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Ooh, tough one. I don't know why I'm respoding really, as I can't come up with anything more productive as yet than 'Aragorness' or 'Aragornetta'. And no, those weren't suggestions. If I see them appearing in your story I will be worried for your sanity.
When I'm stuck for names, I have a little procedure that often helps. I grab my 'baby names' dictionary which my parents bought when they were trying to name me, and flick through for any exotic, uncommon names that catch my eye. When I find an interesting one, I either take it as is, or play around with it. You should try it. I really do find it inspiring myself.
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Khamul
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| ArwenUndomiel wrote: | | Ooh, tough one. I don't know why I'm respoding really, as I can't come up with anything more productive as yet than 'Aragorness' or 'Aragornetta'. And no, those weren't suggestions. |
You forgot one! What about "Aragornina"? You could try an Elvish dictionary site such as Arwenundomiel.com. They have female elven names.
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Pechethu
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| Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 3:10 pm Post subject: |
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*snigger*
The thing is, I'm trying to stick with Elvish-esque naming traditions. Which means that Fem!Aragorn has to have a name relating to Arathorn's. I'm rootin' around for good name sites, as A-U.com has had bad things said about it's Elvish name section. 
Thanks for the laugh and suggestion, though!
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| Pechethu wrote: | *snigger*
The thing is, I'm trying to stick with Elvish-esque naming traditions. Which means that Fem!Aragorn has to have a name relating to Arathorn's. |
Do female elves have to have names relating to their father's? Is Arathorn an elvish name?
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| NancyBrooke wrote: | | Pechethu wrote: | *snigger*
The thing is, I'm trying to stick with Elvish-esque naming traditions. Which means that Fem!Aragorn has to have a name relating to Arathorn's. |
Do female elves have to have names relating to their father's? Is Arathorn an elvish name? |
isn't 'Ara' "noble" somthing? I don't know about -gorn.
maybe Arariel ... would that be 'noble maiden'?
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How about using a name generator?  Or if you like the name Ara, you can use it. There is also Ielenia. I found that name in a book for D&D that I sometimes play. If not, there's always the beloved baby books and websites that have these really neat names in them. If you want really exotic, try Althea. I really like that one too.  Just go with whatever feels right to you. |
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Pechethu
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| NancyBrooke wrote: | | Pechethu wrote: | *snigger*
The thing is, I'm trying to stick with Elvish-esque naming traditions. Which means that Fem!Aragorn has to have a name relating to Arathorn's. |
Do female elves have to have names relating to their father's? Is Arathorn an elvish name? |
Yeah. Arathorn is Sindarin. And I think female elves would have at least a father-name, even if they don't go by it.
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isn't 'Ara' "noble" somthing? I don't know about -gorn.
maybe Arariel ... would that be 'noble maiden'? |
Aragorn means Noble Tree or Lord of the Tree in elvish and I think Arathorn means pretty much the same.
So far, I've got Galadheth. It might work, but it seems like there's too many "th"s.
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| Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 10:03 am Post subject: |
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| Pechethu wrote: | | NancyBrooke wrote: | | Pechethu wrote: | *snigger*
The thing is, I'm trying to stick with Elvish-esque naming traditions. Which means that Fem!Aragorn has to have a name relating to Arathorn's. |
Do female elves have to have names relating to their father's? Is Arathorn an elvish name? |
Yeah. Arathorn is Sindarin. And I think female elves would have at least a father-name, even if they don't go by it.
| Sulriel wrote: |
isn't 'Ara' "noble" somthing? I don't know about -gorn.
maybe Arariel ... would that be 'noble maiden'? |
Aragorn means Noble Tree or Lord of the Tree in elvish and I think Arathorn means pretty much the same. |
Arathorn means eagle lord. Well Eagles can reside in trees. Hmm
adaneth is quite standard in Sindarin to describe a mortal woman. Hence the eth's (adan is singular from edain, so the eth is used to say it's a lady). So if you want the woman to have something in common with her sire, I would suggest to do something with eagles instead of trees. So you would end up with something like Thoroneth or Thôrneth. But I am not certain if that is the right way to combine words so don't pin me down on that. Good luck!
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Vilwarin
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I have to correct you with the meaning of Aragorn: Tolkien said that the element 'orn' = tree is not in the name Aragorn. 'Gorn' means valour, so his name would mean kingly valour.
As for the question of a name: I think any female would do. On the other hand, there is this. Would Arathorn add the element 'ar'/'ara' to her name, or not? He would expect to produce a son some time later, but it would show her noble ancestry. I would then propose a name like Ariel, meaning king's daughter.
Speaking of the story idea: Have you heard of Henneth Annun Story Archive? There is a chellenge called: "My lord Arathorn, it's a girl."
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Dragontamer77
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| Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 8:54 am Post subject: Re: Names. And AUs. The banes of my exisitence. |
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| Pechethu wrote: | Ugh. I have a plot bunny that just won't let go. What if Aragorn had been born female?
I've actually got ideas stirring now for Munchkin!Female!Aragorn stories, but I need a name. Aragorn is just too masculine. He/She/It'll still be called Estel in Rivendell, but I need a name for him/her/it.
Any suggestions would be great as I have nil as of right now! |
Ara? Arya? Does anyone remember aragorns moms name? i was thinkin' that maybe something related to her....I dunno.... |
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Rhapsody
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| Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 9:06 am Post subject: Re: Names. And AUs. The banes of my exisitence. |
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| Dragontamer77 wrote: | | Pechethu wrote: | Ugh. I have a plot bunny that just won't let go. What if Aragorn had been born female?
I've actually got ideas stirring now for Munchkin!Female!Aragorn stories, but I need a name. Aragorn is just too masculine. He/She/It'll still be called Estel in Rivendell, but I need a name for him/her/it.
Any suggestions would be great as I have nil as of right now! |
Ara? Arya? Does anyone remember aragorns moms name? i was thinkin' that maybe something related to her....I dunno.... |
Gilraen. One of my current stories is featuring the happy couple.
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Dragontamer77
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| Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 1:37 pm Post subject: Right |
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Gilraen.
got it.
The hobbits names are sort of modeled after each other(like Frodo and Drogo)...so maybe something after her mother.
Because Aragorn is sorta like Arathorn ya know? |
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NancyBrooke
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Wait ... how did Hobbits enter into it? Maybe I don't want to know ... 
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Vilwarin
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| Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 4:53 am Post subject: Re: Right |
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| Dragontamer77 wrote: | Gilraen.
got it.
The hobbits names are sort of modeled after each other(like Frodo and Drogo)...so maybe something after her mother.
Because Aragorn is sorta like Arathorn ya know? |
Hm, the only reason why Aragorn's and Arathorn's names are similar is because they both bear the element 'ara' from 'aran'=king, which is custom to show their legitimacy as heirs to the throne. This goes WAY back till Argeleb, which makes two dozen generations before Aragorn.
Now we all know that a Númenorean princess could inherit the throne, so would we find such an element in her name? I do not know, it is all interpretation and you might as well use any name you like.
After her mother? I do not know. I would rather not, for if you do not pay attenntion, it could easily seem forced, and it should be - especially when you are naming a high princess - a pure and correct Sindarin name.
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