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Any one have any idea how to translate these words: uncle, grandmother-father, aunt, cousin? I have searched, but I am not having any luck. There was a list at another site, but they seemed very cumbersome and were done by a member, so I am not sure they would be proper. Any help would be appreciated.
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Translate into what language?   |
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Whoh. I so apologize for that. I guess I should have said. My bad. I need it into Sindaran. *feels so foolish now*
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I started a thread on terms for grandparents some time ago ... here it is:
http://www.openscrolls.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1452&highlight=grandfather
I'll play with the other terms you mention for a bit and see what I can come up with; Thuriniel is our resident expert, however.
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LOL! It's okay. I just couldn't resist, since I was in a joking mood.  This just shows what an Elf-centric site this is, you know...
I actually imagined that you did mean Sindarin, though (couldn't really have been Quenya). But since I'm not an elf-specialist, I don't think I can help much...  Although I have seen the words "daer-adar" and "daer-naneth" for Sindarin "grandfather" and "grandmother". Don't know if it's "proper" words though...
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Rous
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| Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 10:02 am Post subject: |
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I did check that out. The terms suggested there were a lot less wordy than the ones I found. They were literally translating as "father of my father" or something like that. That gets old after a while. Thank you for the direction and help.
| Eyborg wrote: | LOL! It's okay. I just couldn't resist, since I was in a joking mood. This just shows what an Elf-centric site this is, you know...
I actually imagined that you did mean Sindarin, though (couldn't really have been Quenya). But since I'm not an elf-specialist, I don't think I can help much... Although I have seen the words "daer-adar" and "daer-naneth" for Sindarin "grandfather" and "grandmother". Don't know if it's "proper" words though...
Hope someone here can help better. |
The thought never even crossed my mind to specify. I just assumed since it was in the Book forum, everyone would automatically know what I meant. LOL BTW, you know what assume does, right?
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Eyborg
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| Rous wrote: | | The thought never even crossed my mind to specify. I just assumed since it was in the Book forum, everyone would automatically know what I meant. LOL BTW, you know what assume does, right? |
He he... Yes, Sindarin was actually the first language that came to my mind.  But then again, you could well be writing about Quenya-speakers... |
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Family names are tough because there isn't any canon for any of the ones you mentioned. I've seen daeradar and daernaneth most for grandfather/mother, personally. And that is what I use. I gave up on anything for aunt, uncle and cousin because I didn't see any one thing used consistantly and everything I did see was completely made up with no basis in canon words (not that I think that is bad--I just would have felt bad borrowing one of those terms, even if the author would give permission). So in my story, I stick to english for those terms. But I would say you could make something up and then just explain that's what you did, if you like.
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| ellisk wrote: | | Family names are tough because there isn't any canon for any of the ones you mentioned. I've seen daeradar and daernaneth most for grandfather/mother, personally. And that is what I use. I gave up on anything for aunt, uncle and cousin because I didn't see any one thing used consistantly and everything I did see was completely made up with no basis in canon words (not that I think that is bad--I just would have felt bad borrowing one of those terms, even if the author would give permission). So in my story, I stick to english for those terms. But I would say you could make something up and then just explain that's what you did, if you like. |
In English, there are terms like sister-son for nephew and the like...
I coined the term sister-husband for "brother-in-law" in my fic...
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| Eyborg wrote: | | Don't know if it's "proper" words though |
No, they aren't proper words. As many have mentioned above, these words don't exist in the lexicon Tolkien propagated, so, at best, anything we come up with is "Neo-Sindarin."
Since the words don't exist, it's cool to make up your own based on Sindarin. A caution, though: the words may not exist but the rules and grammar do and, if those are not followed, some can get picky about it.
i.e. those of us who use Sindarin and other languages try to stay as close to canon as possible even when making things up.
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Rous
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I checked this out. I did question her use of arad as father, though. Dragon Flame says this means daytime. So, I think I will try Adadaer. I think I have seen that one used before. Some of the suggestions for uncle are very combersome. I think I will have to continue with English until I find a satisfactory term. I do appreciate all the suggestions, though. And if I find anything interesting, I will add it here. Thank you
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