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Rous



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 7:36 am    Post subject: Familial terms Reply with quote

Any one have any idea how to translate these words: uncle, grandmother-father, aunt, cousin? I have searched, but I am not having any luck. There was a list at another site, but they seemed very cumbersome and were done by a member, so I am not sure they would be proper. Any help would be appreciated.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 8:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Translate into what language? Wink Very Happy
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 9:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whoh. I so apologize for that. I guess I should have said. My bad. I need it into Sindaran. *feels so foolish now*
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 9:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I started a thread on terms for grandparents some time ago ... here it is:

http://www.openscrolls.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1452&highlight=grandfather

I'll play with the other terms you mention for a bit and see what I can come up with; Thuriniel is our resident expert, however.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 9:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

LOL! It's okay. Very Happy I just couldn't resist, since I was in a joking mood. Twisted Evil This just shows what an Elf-centric site this is, you know... Very Happy
I actually imagined that you did mean Sindarin, though (couldn't really have been Quenya). But since I'm not an elf-specialist, I don't think I can help much... Embarassed Although I have seen the words "daer-adar" and "daer-naneth" for Sindarin "grandfather" and "grandmother". Don't know if it's "proper" words though...
Hope someone here can help better. Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 10:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NancyBrooke wrote:
I started a thread on terms for grandparents some time ago ... here it is:

http://www.openscrolls.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1452&highlight=grandfather

I'll play with the other terms you mention for a bit and see what I can come up with; Thuriniel is our resident expert, however.


I did check that out. The terms suggested there were a lot less wordy than the ones I found. They were literally translating as "father of my father" or something like that. That gets old after a while. Thank you for the direction and help.


Eyborg wrote:
LOL! It's okay. Very Happy I just couldn't resist, since I was in a joking mood. Twisted Evil This just shows what an Elf-centric site this is, you know... Very Happy
I actually imagined that you did mean Sindarin, though (couldn't really have been Quenya). But since I'm not an elf-specialist, I don't think I can help much... Embarassed Although I have seen the words "daer-adar" and "daer-naneth" for Sindarin "grandfather" and "grandmother". Don't know if it's "proper" words though...
Hope someone here can help better. Smile


The thought never even crossed my mind to specify. I just assumed since it was in the Book forum, everyone would automatically know what I meant. LOL BTW, you know what assume does, right?

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 10:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rous wrote:
The thought never even crossed my mind to specify. I just assumed since it was in the Book forum, everyone would automatically know what I meant. LOL BTW, you know what assume does, right?

He he... Yes, Sindarin was actually the first language that came to my mind. Laughing But then again, you could well be writing about Quenya-speakers... Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 2:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Family names are tough because there isn't any canon for any of the ones you mentioned. I've seen daeradar and daernaneth most for grandfather/mother, personally. And that is what I use. I gave up on anything for aunt, uncle and cousin because I didn't see any one thing used consistantly and everything I did see was completely made up with no basis in canon words (not that I think that is bad--I just would have felt bad borrowing one of those terms, even if the author would give permission). So in my story, I stick to english for those terms. But I would say you could make something up and then just explain that's what you did, if you like.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 5:54 pm    Post subject: Titles Reply with quote

ellisk wrote:
Family names are tough because there isn't any canon for any of the ones you mentioned. I've seen daeradar and daernaneth most for grandfather/mother, personally. And that is what I use. I gave up on anything for aunt, uncle and cousin because I didn't see any one thing used consistantly and everything I did see was completely made up with no basis in canon words (not that I think that is bad--I just would have felt bad borrowing one of those terms, even if the author would give permission). So in my story, I stick to english for those terms. But I would say you could make something up and then just explain that's what you did, if you like.


In English, there are terms like sister-son for nephew and the like...

I coined the term sister-husband for "brother-in-law" in my fic...

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 8:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eyborg wrote:
Don't know if it's "proper" words though

No, they aren't proper words. As many have mentioned above, these words don't exist in the lexicon Tolkien propagated, so, at best, anything we come up with is "Neo-Sindarin."

Since the words don't exist, it's cool to make up your own based on Sindarin. A caution, though: the words may not exist but the rules and grammar do and, if those are not followed, some can get picky about it.

i.e. those of us who use Sindarin and other languages try to stay as close to canon as possible even when making things up. Laughing

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 9:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NancyBrooke wrote:
I started a thread on terms for grandparents some time ago ... here it is:

http://www.openscrolls.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1452&highlight=grandfather

I'll play with the other terms you mention for a bit and see what I can come up with; Thuriniel is our resident expert, however.


I checked this out. I did question her use of arad as father, though. Dragon Flame says this means daytime. So, I think I will try Adadaer. I think I have seen that one used before. Some of the suggestions for uncle are very combersome. I think I will have to continue with English until I find a satisfactory term. I do appreciate all the suggestions, though. And if I find anything interesting, I will add it here. Thank you

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