[rohanion]

I need some clarification on this question?

As I understand it (though it is sometime since I have read the books) Haldir and his brothers were raised by Celeborn after their parents left middle earth - is this correct? or have I got this wrong?

[SpaceWeavil]

Far as I know that's something that's developed from fan fiction, rather than from the books, though I may be wrong.

To the best of my knowledge, all that we know about Haldir from the books was that he was a marchwarden and had two brothers called Rumil and Orophin. Probably other folks know more stuff, but that's all I remember from the books.

When I wrote him (and can't remember what story this was for) I had their parents still living in Caras Galadhon, though I think I maimed his father in the Last Alliance or something. I must stop being nasty to characters in my fics, that's my resolution.

[NeumeIndil]

I went first to the Thain's Book which is a good secondary source, but all it says is parentage unknown. Similarly, Encyclopedia of Arda said almost exactly the same thing. So, I tried PoME: Again, bupkis.

From there I went to J.E.A. Tyler's The Complete Tolkien Companion which calls him only a marchwarden of Lothlorien; nothing about parents or foster parents.

Went to Cannon NO Fannon, another good secondary site for this sort of questions and got:
http://www.tinni.100megsfree5.com/canonNOfanon/elves/fanon11to20.htm#fanon13

Answer: Inconclusive. It may be a conceit of fan fic that he was fostered or adopted, but it surely doesn't seem there is any evidence to nay say it. I'd say go with what best serves your story.

[rohanion]

Hey that was a prompt repy!

thanks to both of you for answering my little query.

I am writing my Haldir story and was going to have him recall his younger days...... so not sure what to write now?


I will probably go with the Celeborn theme as it seems to fit nicely.


Once agan thank you both for your assistance

[FallingIntoStrangers]

I would say that since nothing is written in stone by Tolkien himself, you could pretty much have a free hand in Haildir's life. I have written a Haldir fic myself (which sucked) and am about to (maybe) embark on a newer, better one. A character like him is in some ways easier to write, cuz you can twist him into what you need him to be for your fic. But at the same time, hard to do, cuz we know NOTHING about him so where do you start?

I say, do as you wish, but keep it realistic. I am fairly sure he is Silvan Elf, but other than that... it's pretty open.

Good Luck!!

Oh an I would lurve to talk to someone about whether or not I should even write this fic in my head, considering since my Middle earth knowledge is rusty, and my last LOTR fic I hated.

[ghettoelleth]

He could tight rope walk across rivers, which leads me to believe that his parents may have been circus performers before becoming elves and moving to Lorien.

Oh, and he could hear fat Hobbitses (Sam NOT Gimli) Real Good!

[Rhapsody]

[NancyBrooke]

[NeumeIndil]

That site is courtesy of my "Newbie Starting to Spaz" post from 3 months ago. It is an awesome site and quite funny... for those times when your sense of humor decides his/her play group at the locker room is a better place to be than sitting in your lap while you're writing.

Rohanion, there are a bunch more links and book titles in that other thread if you end up wanting/needing more sources. It's in "writing tips and tricks" about half way down the forum page.

Good luck w/ the .

Neu

[Eruanna]

Yes, there is not much about Haldir, Rumil and Orophin in canon.

Just a trio of brothers who are border guards.

The films have made them out to be the blonde brothers of Lorien. Perhaps the extended film extended version will show more of these boys. I understand they did shoot some Lorien battle scenes that got cut even from the EE versions of FOTR.

I do know, however, that an early Tolkien draft had Haldir's name as "Hathaldir."

--Eruanna

[NeumeIndil]

Sorry. Double post. Dang it, I thought that Gremlin ran away or something.

Neu

[ghettoelleth]

[Eruanna]

Yes, I also hear in the film that Celeborn and Elrond were also in on it, too. Hal was the elf who persuaded the three noble elves to send troops and volunteered to lead (or something...)

Another chance to see lovely movie Haldir in his galadhrim greys (swoon).

--Eruanna

[Rhapsody]

Hey that movie can always use some more Craig goodness

[Eruanna]